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1) If someone wants to find something you are "hiding", they will anyway. It's always been like this. Encryption is never a protection against this. 2) Persona

by pmlnr 7y ago

1) If someone wants to find something you are "hiding", they will anyway. It's always been like this. Encryption is never a protection against this. 2) Personally I still think e2e encryption is not a secure solution on operating systems that runs godmode 3rd party, eg. google play services: it relies on a key that can be stolen too many ways too easily. Signal included. 3) internet eons (20 years) ago we nearly all used plain text IRC, closed source ICQ, AIM, etc, apart from a few. Recently I started to question the usefulness of "encrypt everything": we do need a way to verify the content from end to end, but is encryption really the way to do so? Are there any other ways, signatures, hashes, etc? 4) All that said, I'm not surprised. Skype used to be p2p, until M$ moved it to server-client, because "battery life". Everything is moving back to the Eternal Mainframe in this cycle.

the8472 7y ago
The landscape changed. More people use the internet, more spy agencies from multiple countries siphon traffic en bulk, information of higher value is exchanged over the internet, more untrusted parties are involved (e.g. wifi hotspots). I mean go ahead, do everything unencrypted. But I surely won't entrust data to you if you're leaking like a sieve.
- pmlnr 7y ago
  > I mean go ahead, do everything unencrypted. That is not what I wrote. I wrote "encrypt everything". There is valuable and useful use of encryption, I'm just not certain everything everywhere needs it or benefits from it.
  - the8472 7y ago
    It's a sensible default since the developers don't know when users will need it and users don't want to bother to choose for every single action they take. And they may not even know in advance that they will need it. An innocent conversation can quickly turn into something confidential or private. That said, I do agree that p2p is preferable since it cuts out a central party that can be strongarmed by government being in control

by pmlnr 7y ago

the8472 7y ago

The landscape changed. More people use the internet, more spy agencies from multiple countries siphon traffic en bulk, information of higher value is exchanged over the internet, more untrusted parties are involved (e.g. wifi hotspots). I mean go ahead, do everything unencrypted. But I surely won't entrust data to you if you're leaking like a sieve.

pmlnr 7y ago
> I mean go ahead, do everything unencrypted. That is not what I wrote. I wrote "encrypt everything". There is valuable and useful use of encryption, I'm just not certain everything everywhere needs it or benefits from it.
- the8472 7y ago
  It's a sensible default since the developers don't know when users will need it and users don't want to bother to choose for every single action they take. And they may not even know in advance that they will need it. An innocent conversation can quickly turn into something confidential or private. That said, I do agree that p2p is preferable since it cuts out a central party that can be strongarmed by government being in control