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Instead of countering my arguments you’ve attempted to use a logical fallacy to negate my point. Two things can be true because they’re independent or caused by

by ianai 7y ago

Instead of countering my arguments you’ve attempted to use a logical fallacy to negate my point. Two things can be true because they’re independent or caused by similar preconditions. You’re not offering the contradiction you appear to be claiming. HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

seamyb88 7y ago
A monkey has human rights in a country where humans do not. Don't dare "logical fallacy" me.
- colanderman 7y ago
  Your statement is implying all humans must only focus on the one most pressing moral issue of the time. This is simply an absurd notion. Why should veterinarians exist? After all, people are still getting sick and dying. Why devote medical research to the flu? Cancer is much more deadly and still exists. Why fight for marriage equality in the US? Homosexuals are stoned to death in other countries. If you're trying to imply some sort of hypocrisy, you've also run afoul of a logical fallacy. Hypocrisy would imply that the individuals granting an orangutan rights are the same people denying immigrants rights. But they almost certainly are not, and you have no evidence that they are. Hypocrisy doesn't apply to groups of uncoordinated individuals. (Moreover, the rights were granted by a judge in Argentina. No-one's claiming that the US plans to recognize those rights. So I really don't know what your comment is getting at.)
berns 7y ago
You are using your perfectly logical reasoning to hide how horrible beings humans are. We show compassion for orangutans and care for the environment. And we can carry on normal productive lives while horrendous pain is inflicted to millions of other human beings, and this pain should be so unbeareable for ourselves that it would hoard all of our attention.
- ianai 7y ago
  This orangutan was born in captivity, sold, had a baby in captivity, had her baby sold and taken from her, and now she’s gained some respect of her life in a sanctuary for her kind. It’s actually pretty high up in the scale of bad things that humanity does to itself.
  - berns 7y ago
    I would continue to rejoice in our altruism but I have to feed my cat with that special gourmet pâté. I'm a horrible being too.
    - dwaltrip 7y ago
      Yes, your domesticated cat is the same as an orangutan. The problem has been solved!
- PhasmaFelis 7y ago
  No one is trying to hide anything, and your "we do this but not that" language obscures the issue. We show compassion for animals, and also brutalize them. We care for the environment, and destroy it. We fight for human rights, and ignore human rights, and actively abuse human rights. A lot more people need to move towards the good sides of those spectra. This is a small and local movement, probably not one that will have a major effect; we shouldn't let it distract us, obviously, but I think we can still appreciate it.

by ianai 7y ago

seamyb88 7y ago

A monkey has human rights in a country where humans do not. Don't dare "logical fallacy" me.

colanderman 7y ago
Your statement is implying all humans must only focus on the one most pressing moral issue of the time. This is simply an absurd notion. Why should veterinarians exist? After all, people are still getting sick and dying. Why devote medical research to the flu? Cancer is much more deadly and still exists. Why fight for marriage equality in the US? Homosexuals are stoned to death in other countries. If you're trying to imply some sort of hypocrisy, you've also run afoul of a logical fallacy. Hypocrisy would imply that the individuals granting an orangutan rights are the same people denying immigrants rights. But they almost certainly are not, and you have no evidence that they are. Hypocrisy doesn't apply to groups of uncoordinated individuals. (Moreover, the rights were granted by a judge in Argentina. No-one's claiming that the US plans to recognize those rights. So I really don't know what your comment is getting at.)

berns 7y ago

You are using your perfectly logical reasoning to hide how horrible beings humans are. We show compassion for orangutans and care for the environment. And we can carry on normal productive lives while horrendous pain is inflicted to millions of other human beings, and this pain should be so unbeareable for ourselves that it would hoard all of our attention.

ianai 7y ago
This orangutan was born in captivity, sold, had a baby in captivity, had her baby sold and taken from her, and now she’s gained some respect of her life in a sanctuary for her kind. It’s actually pretty high up in the scale of bad things that humanity does to itself.
- berns 7y ago
  I would continue to rejoice in our altruism but I have to feed my cat with that special gourmet pâté. I'm a horrible being too.
  - dwaltrip 7y ago
    Yes, your domesticated cat is the same as an orangutan. The problem has been solved!
PhasmaFelis 7y ago
No one is trying to hide anything, and your "we do this but not that" language obscures the issue. We show compassion for animals, and also brutalize them. We care for the environment, and destroy it. We fight for human rights, and ignore human rights, and actively abuse human rights. A lot more people need to move towards the good sides of those spectra. This is a small and local movement, probably not one that will have a major effect; we shouldn't let it distract us, obviously, but I think we can still appreciate it.