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So you change the rules in the middle of the game so you don't lose, sounds right if you are the arbiter too

leereeves 7y ago
China never obeyed the rules, so the rest of the world has a choice: continue to play by the old rules at a disadvantage to a cheating China, accept the new rules China has been playing by, or isolate China until they start playing by the old rules.
- rat9988 7y ago
  Which rules didn't china obey?
  - leereeves 7y ago
    Broadly speaking (for a detailed list see the US Trade Representative's report[1]) they failed to allow access to their markets or respect the rights of foreign companies. They've shown that a nationalist nation can exploit the globalist system to its own profit, raising doubts about globalism itself and leading to the resurgence of nationalism. 1: https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/2018-USTR-Report-to-Congress-on-China%27s-WTO-Compliance.pdf https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/2018-USTR-Report-to-Con...
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  - RavlaAlvar 7y ago
    Promise they made when joining WTO
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- dirtyid 7y ago
  You should look up WTO statistics sometimes. Who has substantially more complaints from the global trade community [1]? Who imposes the highest number of protectionism policies [2]? Hint: it's not China. There's no reason to believe USTR reporting, or much government reporting when it comes to geopolitics to be unbiased. Especially under this administration. During a tradewar no less. This isn't about obeying the rules. It's about the reigning cheater stacking the deck against an upcoming cheater while pretending their own hands are clean. China's ascension to WTO was inevitable despite US being one of the last hold outs [3]. An emerging great power and the largest exporter responsible for driving substantial global growth should get a say in the rules. That's just common sense. China maybe revisionist but it also has't been in a large shooting war in 40 years, that's a good direction to revise towards. [1] https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/09/28/20161001_trade.jpg https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user330... [2] https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/styles/pubs_2x/public/wp-content/uploads/usa_protectionism.png https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/styles/pubs_2x/pub... [3] https://thebulwark.com/a-failure-to-adjust/ https://thebulwark.com/a-failure-to-adjust/
  - primroot 7y ago
    When one is powerful enough, rules are an advantage. The powerful can now enjoy the well protected benefit of breaking the rules. That's how we can more or less predict who breaks the rules.
  - leereeves 7y ago
    Number of complaints is irrelevant without considering the magnitude of the infractions. Does the US require foreign firms to have local partners? Routinely ignore foreign copyrights? Completely block all foreign information from reaching its people?
    - simion314 7y ago
      >Completely block all foreign information from reaching its people? There are many studies that shows that racism is still present in US, in police,justice, work place Now you give me the excuse for the racism then think maybe China may have their own excuses that you will not understand, then maybe think about school shootings tell me the excuses for why those happen ..then think maybe China has some excuses too for other shit. IMO there are problems that don't have a simple solution, tell em the simple solution for the gun violence or racism in US. Is the same for China or other country, there is a large number of people in that country, they have a different culture, they have different values and you can't change them over night and some US values should probably be not exported.
- dis-sys 7y ago
  > China never obeyed the rules did China had a say when the old rules were made?

China never obeyed the rules, so the rest of the world has a choice: continue to play by the old rules at a disadvantage to a cheating China, accept the new rules China has been playing by, or isolate China until they start playing by the old rules.

rat9988 7y ago
Which rules didn't china obey?
- leereeves 7y ago
  Broadly speaking (for a detailed list see the US Trade Representative's report[1]) they failed to allow access to their markets or respect the rights of foreign companies. They've shown that a nationalist nation can exploit the globalist system to its own profit, raising doubts about globalism itself and leading to the resurgence of nationalism. 1: https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/2018-USTR-Report-to-Congress-on-China%27s-WTO-Compliance.pdf https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/2018-USTR-Report-to-Con...
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- RavlaAlvar 7y ago
  Promise they made when joining WTO
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dirtyid 7y ago
You should look up WTO statistics sometimes. Who has substantially more complaints from the global trade community [1]? Who imposes the highest number of protectionism policies [2]? Hint: it's not China. There's no reason to believe USTR reporting, or much government reporting when it comes to geopolitics to be unbiased. Especially under this administration. During a tradewar no less. This isn't about obeying the rules. It's about the reigning cheater stacking the deck against an upcoming cheater while pretending their own hands are clean. China's ascension to WTO was inevitable despite US being one of the last hold outs [3]. An emerging great power and the largest exporter responsible for driving substantial global growth should get a say in the rules. That's just common sense. China maybe revisionist but it also has't been in a large shooting war in 40 years, that's a good direction to revise towards. [1] https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/09/28/20161001_trade.jpg https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user330... [2] https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/styles/pubs_2x/public/wp-content/uploads/usa_protectionism.png https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/styles/pubs_2x/pub... [3] https://thebulwark.com/a-failure-to-adjust/ https://thebulwark.com/a-failure-to-adjust/
- primroot 7y ago
  When one is powerful enough, rules are an advantage. The powerful can now enjoy the well protected benefit of breaking the rules. That's how we can more or less predict who breaks the rules.
- leereeves 7y ago
  Number of complaints is irrelevant without considering the magnitude of the infractions. Does the US require foreign firms to have local partners? Routinely ignore foreign copyrights? Completely block all foreign information from reaching its people?
  - simion314 7y ago
    >Completely block all foreign information from reaching its people? There are many studies that shows that racism is still present in US, in police,justice, work place Now you give me the excuse for the racism then think maybe China may have their own excuses that you will not understand, then maybe think about school shootings tell me the excuses for why those happen ..then think maybe China has some excuses too for other shit. IMO there are problems that don't have a simple solution, tell em the simple solution for the gun violence or racism in US. Is the same for China or other country, there is a large number of people in that country, they have a different culture, they have different values and you can't change them over night and some US values should probably be not exported.
dis-sys 7y ago
> China never obeyed the rules did China had a say when the old rules were made?