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Some years ago I did some searching on scholar.google.com about bacterial vaginosis. While douching is generally discouraged as non-helpful at best or counter-
by tcj_phx 7y ago
Some years ago I did some searching on scholar.google.com about bacterial vaginosis.
While douching is generally discouraged as non-helpful at best or counter-productive at worst, I remember reading a study that found washing the vagina with iodine mostly eliminates all bacteria - desirable and undesirable - but that the beneficial lacto-bacteria are the first to repopulate the cavity.
Quotes and links to two studies about this approach are below.
I recall that when I was looking into the matter, I noticed that Walmart's store brand of iodine wash has that chemical in spermicide that some women are sensitive to. The adjacent bottle of brand-name iodine (Betadine?) doesn't have that chemical. Searching now, it must've been Nonoxynol-9 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonoxynol-9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonoxynol-9 / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Povidone-iodine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Povidone-iodine
I'll look at my pictures... (EDIT: maybe it's been reformulated: "Active Ingredient: Povidone-iodine, 10%; Inactive ingredients: C12-13, PARETH-9, citric acid, disodium phosphate, glycerin, sodium hydroxide, water" - https://www.walmart.com/ip/Equate-First-Aid-Antiseptic-8-fl-oz/236247392 https://www.walmart.com/ip/Equate-First-Aid-Antiseptic-8-fl-...
This one has Nonoxynol-9: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Betadine-skin-cleanser/46068801 https://www.walmart.com/ip/Betadine-skin-cleanser/46068801
Betadine without Nonoxynol-9: Active Ingredients: Povidone-Iodine (10%) (1% Available Iodine). Purpose: First Aid Antiseptic. Inactive Ingredients: Pareth 25-8, Purified Water, Sodium Hydroxide. - https://www.walmart.com/ip/Betadine-Solution-8-fl-oz/17325005 https://www.walmart.com/ip/Betadine-Solution-8-fl-oz/1732500... /EDIT)
tl/dr: use iodine to wipe out all bacteria, so the lactic-acid producing bacteria can repopulate the area.
Two studies that seem to support using iodine washes to take out all the bacteria:
" [...] Contrary to that the lactobacilli counts from patients treated with povidone iodine suppositories decreased after the first week but increased in the second one. Potentially pathogenic germs, e.g. Gardnerella, Bacteroides and Enterobacteria were reduced in a higher extent and with a longer lasting effect after treatment with povidone iodine suppositories than with capsules containing lactobacilli. The results of this study show that native lactobacilli rapidly re-colonize after the antiseptic treatment with povidone iodine. Therefore, there is no need to use lactobacilli in addition." - Efficacy of Povidone-Iodine Vaginal Suppositories in the Treatment of Bacterial Vaginosis - https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/57731 https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/57731
"Repeated vaginal washings with 3% H2O2, 15% NaCl and 10% providone iodine were initiated. At the end of each washing, vaginal walls were thoroughly cleaned up with a small gauze. After 10 days of treatment the odor and the vaginal discharge had ceased and 12 months later no relapse had occurred" - Recurrent Bacterial Vaginosis in a Virgin Adolescent: A New Method of Treatment - https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s15010-002-2001-9 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s15010-002-2001-9
- stOneskull 7y agogood researching. thanks for sharing . it's cool that the good ones are the first to establish in the fresh neighborhood. i think this should be common knowledge, and i think you've just helped that become a reality.
- daed 7y agoWas this something you actually did and had success with? If so, did you have chronic BV or just acute BV? Things we’ve tried: - boric acid suppositories (this helps but the BV always comes back) - hydrogen peroxide douche (no results) - a couple essential oil mixtures (no results) - antibiotics (BV comes back) Through research it seems the problem may be biofilms. You kill all the bacteria except those hiding in the biofilms and so they just repopulate. A cursory google shows iodine may bust biofilms, so this May be worth a try.
- tcj_phx 7y agoI’d gotten my partner’s microbes... After some searching I decided it was the male equivalent of BV. I’ve used various kinds of iodine on myself successfully, but I don’t have a vagina to experiment on. I’d like to experiment on my current partner, but she’s not interested in the experiment, and her condition is very minor in comparison to the partner who motivated my searches. Another factor to look at is the person’s body temperature. People who are a few degrees below normal supposedly have different intestinal bacteria than people who have a normal body temperature. There are unique carbohydrates in medicinal mushrooms (uhm... “polysaccharides, glycoproteins and proteoglycans“) and cranberries (D-Mannose) that might be useful to you too...
- kaitai 7y agoThere are some probiotic blends that focus on lactobacillus that some have found helpful. These can be used externally or internally. See papers like https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1198743X14606017 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1198743X1... and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24299970 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24299970 for instance. If interested in this, check out the particular types of lactobacillus mentioned in these articles and make sure the product you're purchasing has those, rather than a general lacto blend. It appears that antibiotics should be a short course and probiotics a long course: killing is fast, growing is slower. The science isn't conclusive but there are ~ zero negative side effects, so it's a good expected value.