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This is the same strawman as Apple with the open "Thunderbolt" specs. They open it up and hope other people will adopt it with the goal of profiting Apple that

This is the same strawman as Apple with the open "Thunderbolt" specs. They open it up and hope other people will adopt it with the goal of profiting Apple that still controls the specs. In addition they can also claim that other players are bad players because they didn't use the "open" specs. That's not how it should work. Other EV makers are doing this correctly with an open consortium. A single brand (Tesla) shouldn't dictate what standards to use.

xedeon 7y ago
The thing is, the Tesla charging standard predates CCS. Tesla has already deployed and invested on many supercharger stations. The CCS consortium instead of adopting it, instead got together and developed CCS. The CCS consortium (composed of mainly GM and german manufacturers) is also not without fault... They completely ignored the already established CHAdeMO standard, because it's developed by five major Japanese automakers. But it seems that Tesla gets all the flak, when the reality is the whole industry do not wan't to hash it out.
- clouddrover 7y ago
  > The thing is, the Tesla charging standard predates CCS. Yes. Tesla tried to set a standard and they failed. The industry did not adopt it. It's time to move on to CCS. > Tesla has already deployed and invested on many supercharger stations. That's not an issue. Tesla doesn't need to start from zero. They can retrofit the chargers for CCS without too much trouble.
  - xedeon 7y ago
    > That's not an issue. Care to elaborate? > They can retrofit the chargers for CCS without too much trouble. Do you have experience running a business? That's easy for someone watching from the sidelines to say. But the reality is that something like this have financial and logistical hurdles. As of Sept this year, there are currently 14,081 individual Supercharger stalls at 1,604 locations worldwide. Retrofitting all of those is hardly "without too much trouble". That's a fact.
    - clouddrover 7y ago
      > Retrofitting all of those is hardly "without too much trouble". That's a fact. No, the fact is they've already done exactly that in Europe: https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-supercharger-dual-charge-ccs-upgrade-model-3-europe-rollout/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-supercharger-dual-charge-ccs... But Tesla is still not allowing other EVs to charge at their chargers. Tesla only needs to do three things to move to CCS properly: 1. Put a CCS plug on the charger. 2. Implement the CCS protocol. 3. Allow all EVs to charge at the charger. Easy peasy and civic-minded. There are no downsides here.

xedeon 7y ago

The thing is, the Tesla charging standard predates CCS. Tesla has already deployed and invested on many supercharger stations. The CCS consortium instead of adopting it, instead got together and developed CCS. The CCS consortium (composed of mainly GM and german manufacturers) is also not without fault... They completely ignored the already established CHAdeMO standard, because it's developed by five major Japanese automakers. But it seems that Tesla gets all the flak, when the reality is the whole industry do not wan't to hash it out.

clouddrover 7y ago
> The thing is, the Tesla charging standard predates CCS. Yes. Tesla tried to set a standard and they failed. The industry did not adopt it. It's time to move on to CCS. > Tesla has already deployed and invested on many supercharger stations. That's not an issue. Tesla doesn't need to start from zero. They can retrofit the chargers for CCS without too much trouble.
- xedeon 7y ago
  > That's not an issue. Care to elaborate? > They can retrofit the chargers for CCS without too much trouble. Do you have experience running a business? That's easy for someone watching from the sidelines to say. But the reality is that something like this have financial and logistical hurdles. As of Sept this year, there are currently 14,081 individual Supercharger stalls at 1,604 locations worldwide. Retrofitting all of those is hardly "without too much trouble". That's a fact.
  - clouddrover 7y ago
    > Retrofitting all of those is hardly "without too much trouble". That's a fact. No, the fact is they've already done exactly that in Europe: https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-supercharger-dual-charge-ccs-upgrade-model-3-europe-rollout/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-supercharger-dual-charge-ccs... But Tesla is still not allowing other EVs to charge at their chargers. Tesla only needs to do three things to move to CCS properly: 1. Put a CCS plug on the charger. 2. Implement the CCS protocol. 3. Allow all EVs to charge at the charger. Easy peasy and civic-minded. There are no downsides here.