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>>Doing illegal drugs... The problem isn't the legality (in many places these products are legal to sell, own and consume ignoring the federal prohibitions) it

by moate 7y ago

>>Doing illegal drugs... The problem isn't the legality (in many places these products are legal to sell, own and consume ignoring the federal prohibitions) it's the oversight and regulation. There was a lot of hasty roll out and it feels like a lot of states are catching up with these sort of regulatory issues well after they should have.

linuxftw 7y ago
I don't think it's regulations, I think it's that with legalization, some things improved, but it also created a broad market for counterfeit products. There are arbitrary limits on production capacity (eg, a home grower can only have 6 plants, 3 of which are mature, etc) which is creating artificial scarcity. Also, high taxes are helping to push people into the black market. In the case of other illegal drugs, there's just no telling what you're getting unless you watched someone make it yourself. A lot of illegal drugs are coming from overseas or developing nations generally. I'm sure they're using banned pesticides, slave and child labor, you name it, to make some of these drugs. There could be literally anything in those, it's just unsafe to consume.
- moate 7y ago
  >>I think it's that with legalization, some things improved, but it also created a broad market for counterfeit products. I guess? I mean there's always been a market for counterfeit MJ products (everyone's heard the stories of people buying oregano at a concert) so I just don't feel like that's a "new" problem as much as a new version of an existing problem. Legalization and the general advent of e-cig/vaping products happened around the same time, so I don't know that we can separate what would have happened if pot had still been illegal but vaping had moved into it's current role the use. >> Also, high taxes are helping to push people into the black market. I think it's that people don't realize they're in the black market, which I view as a regulatory issue. Because everything exists in this quasi-legal (state yes, federal no) status, the industry hasn't really coalesced into a fully legit form. The legal, grey, and black markets all overlap constantly and people are confused about what they're buying. If I want to buy alcohol, I know when I'm buying a real product that had production standards vs something some dude made in his basement. Weed isn't at that place yet really.

by moate 7y ago

linuxftw 7y ago

I don't think it's regulations, I think it's that with legalization, some things improved, but it also created a broad market for counterfeit products. There are arbitrary limits on production capacity (eg, a home grower can only have 6 plants, 3 of which are mature, etc) which is creating artificial scarcity. Also, high taxes are helping to push people into the black market. In the case of other illegal drugs, there's just no telling what you're getting unless you watched someone make it yourself. A lot of illegal drugs are coming from overseas or developing nations generally. I'm sure they're using banned pesticides, slave and child labor, you name it, to make some of these drugs. There could be literally anything in those, it's just unsafe to consume.

moate 7y ago
>>I think it's that with legalization, some things improved, but it also created a broad market for counterfeit products. I guess? I mean there's always been a market for counterfeit MJ products (everyone's heard the stories of people buying oregano at a concert) so I just don't feel like that's a "new" problem as much as a new version of an existing problem. Legalization and the general advent of e-cig/vaping products happened around the same time, so I don't know that we can separate what would have happened if pot had still been illegal but vaping had moved into it's current role the use. >> Also, high taxes are helping to push people into the black market. I think it's that people don't realize they're in the black market, which I view as a regulatory issue. Because everything exists in this quasi-legal (state yes, federal no) status, the industry hasn't really coalesced into a fully legit form. The legal, grey, and black markets all overlap constantly and people are confused about what they're buying. If I want to buy alcohol, I know when I'm buying a real product that had production standards vs something some dude made in his basement. Weed isn't at that place yet really.