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The same pesticides that end up in cartridges came from the flower/material that was used. Flower can also have molds, bugs and other things that a good test w

The same pesticides that end up in cartridges came from the flower/material that was used. Flower can also have molds, bugs and other things that a good test would show and people who just "trust" flower would then smoke. Sticking to flower wont keep you safe from anything but vitamin-e in the lungs. More than half the flower I see in NYC is in counterfeit CA/CO/OR/WA packaging, I do not trust its safety. Testing is the solution... all intake methods have their inherent risks.

EpicEng 7y ago
>More than half the flower I see in NYC is in counterfeit CA/CO/OR/WA packaging, I do not trust its safety That's fine, your choice and all... But tens (hundreds?) of millions of people have been smoking weed in this country for decades. How many cases of illness due to pesticides have there been? I can recall a few, but it's a tiny, tiny number.
- monocasa 7y ago
  I mean, the cases of illness from vaping is a tiny number too.
  - EpicEng 7y ago
    Right, and we don't even know what the cause is yet. I have been vaping for about nine years now. If you look through my comment history you'll what side of this issue I'm on.
- mtnGoat 7y ago
  not saying i wouldn't partake, i would just prefer something i can verify is safe.
  - EpicEng 7y ago
    Sure, I'm not trying to beat you over the head here, just saying that the odds of buying poison weed are astronomically low.
- heavyset_go 7y ago
  The problem with pesticides isn't acute poisoning, but health effects from chronic exposure. No one is going to go to end up in the ER after smoking a joint, but if one's sources are consistently tainted, there might be an increase risk for cancer or other diseases later on.
  - EpicEng 7y ago
    Sure... but practically, how often does this happen?
    - heavyset_go 7y ago
      We don't know. "Was your ditch weed sprayed with paraquat?" isn't a question doctors ask their patients.
      - mtnGoat 7y ago
        true. seed-to-sale tracking would allow us to back track tainted lots, in conjunction with asking this question though.
  - cwkoss 7y ago
    Myclobutanil will still produce hydrogen cyanide vapor in a joint, it will just be of less dosage. Risk of 'hotspots' exists: you are right that it is much less than for concentrates, but it is non-zero.
- zaarn 7y ago
  It heavily depends on the pesticide and how it's ingested. Some pesticides are fine in the human body and simply aren't metabolized well enough to cause any trouble, though others can be very aggressive on humans over long term exposure. If you heat the pesticide up or even burn it, the resulting compounds can be unpredictable and range from even more harmless or actually toxic.
zelon88 7y ago
If you're buying pot off the street and it comes with a label; you're getting ripped off. Seriously the stuff has been popular since the 1960's. I think we can all agree that smoking "pure" pot, mold bugs and all, isn't this massive health risk that everyone needs to watch out for. The oldest stoners seem to be just as happy and healthy as the younger ones, if not more so. And that's just by buying unlabelled, untested plants grown by friends.
- sarah180 7y ago
  Regularly inhaling burned plant material is harmful. Cannabis is not as dangerous as tobacco, but smoking is going to substantially increase your risk of lung disease and cancer. So naturally the most American thing to do right now is to ban systems that give people the drug delivery without the harmful smoke. Black market providers will definitely be held to better safety standards and offer more honest labeling so adults can make informed choices about the risks they want to take with their own bodies. (Of course when we're actually living in a bizarro world of moral panic where a third of Americans think that vaping is equally or more dangerous than smoking cigarettes, so it's hard to have too much faith in our public education.)
  - anigbrowl 7y ago
    Of course when we're actually living in a bizarro world of moral panic [...] Loading up a reasonable observation with tons of snark and broad political critique doesn't make for great conversation. I could just as easily point out that the technological innovation of vaping simply opens up a new market for unscrupulous capitalists to make a quick buck out of overselling the upside benefits while dumping the downside risks on the unwary.
  - senorjazz 7y ago
    > Cannabis is not as dangerous as tobacco Actually I thought it was the other way round. Just that you don't smoke as much cannabis as you do tobacco (i.e. a 20 a day every day without fail habit
- mtnGoat 7y ago
heavyset_go 7y ago
Concerning flower, about 15 years ago in the UK, there was an issue where flower was sprinkled with glass beads[1] to give it the appearance of having a lot of trichomes. Legalization and regulation would solve this problem. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/society/2007/jan/12/drugsandalcohol.drugs https://www.theguardian.com/society/2007/jan/12/drugsandalco...

EpicEng 7y ago

>More than half the flower I see in NYC is in counterfeit CA/CO/OR/WA packaging, I do not trust its safety That's fine, your choice and all... But tens (hundreds?) of millions of people have been smoking weed in this country for decades. How many cases of illness due to pesticides have there been? I can recall a few, but it's a tiny, tiny number.

monocasa 7y ago
I mean, the cases of illness from vaping is a tiny number too.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  Right, and we don't even know what the cause is yet. I have been vaping for about nine years now. If you look through my comment history you'll what side of this issue I'm on.
mtnGoat 7y ago
not saying i wouldn't partake, i would just prefer something i can verify is safe.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  Sure, I'm not trying to beat you over the head here, just saying that the odds of buying poison weed are astronomically low.
heavyset_go 7y ago
The problem with pesticides isn't acute poisoning, but health effects from chronic exposure. No one is going to go to end up in the ER after smoking a joint, but if one's sources are consistently tainted, there might be an increase risk for cancer or other diseases later on.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  Sure... but practically, how often does this happen?
  - heavyset_go 7y ago
    We don't know. "Was your ditch weed sprayed with paraquat?" isn't a question doctors ask their patients.
    - mtnGoat 7y ago
      true. seed-to-sale tracking would allow us to back track tainted lots, in conjunction with asking this question though.
- cwkoss 7y ago
  Myclobutanil will still produce hydrogen cyanide vapor in a joint, it will just be of less dosage. Risk of 'hotspots' exists: you are right that it is much less than for concentrates, but it is non-zero.
zaarn 7y ago
It heavily depends on the pesticide and how it's ingested. Some pesticides are fine in the human body and simply aren't metabolized well enough to cause any trouble, though others can be very aggressive on humans over long term exposure. If you heat the pesticide up or even burn it, the resulting compounds can be unpredictable and range from even more harmless or actually toxic.

zelon88 7y ago

If you're buying pot off the street and it comes with a label; you're getting ripped off. Seriously the stuff has been popular since the 1960's. I think we can all agree that smoking "pure" pot, mold bugs and all, isn't this massive health risk that everyone needs to watch out for. The oldest stoners seem to be just as happy and healthy as the younger ones, if not more so. And that's just by buying unlabelled, untested plants grown by friends.

sarah180 7y ago
Regularly inhaling burned plant material is harmful. Cannabis is not as dangerous as tobacco, but smoking is going to substantially increase your risk of lung disease and cancer. So naturally the most American thing to do right now is to ban systems that give people the drug delivery without the harmful smoke. Black market providers will definitely be held to better safety standards and offer more honest labeling so adults can make informed choices about the risks they want to take with their own bodies. (Of course when we're actually living in a bizarro world of moral panic where a third of Americans think that vaping is equally or more dangerous than smoking cigarettes, so it's hard to have too much faith in our public education.)
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  Of course when we're actually living in a bizarro world of moral panic [...] Loading up a reasonable observation with tons of snark and broad political critique doesn't make for great conversation. I could just as easily point out that the technological innovation of vaping simply opens up a new market for unscrupulous capitalists to make a quick buck out of overselling the upside benefits while dumping the downside risks on the unwary.
- senorjazz 7y ago
  > Cannabis is not as dangerous as tobacco Actually I thought it was the other way round. Just that you don't smoke as much cannabis as you do tobacco (i.e. a 20 a day every day without fail habit
mtnGoat 7y ago

heavyset_go 7y ago

Concerning flower, about 15 years ago in the UK, there was an issue where flower was sprinkled with glass beads[1] to give it the appearance of having a lot of trichomes. Legalization and regulation would solve this problem. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/society/2007/jan/12/drugsandalcohol.drugs https://www.theguardian.com/society/2007/jan/12/drugsandalco...