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First of all, congrats to Axi0mX! It must have been quite the exploiting effort. > It seems to be another golden age for iOS jailbreaking has came! There is m

by jorvi 7y ago

First of all, congrats to Axi0mX! It must have been quite the exploiting effort. > It seems to be another golden age for iOS jailbreaking has came! There is much, much less reason to jailbreak these days than in the iPhone 1 - 5 days. Unlocked iPhones are easy to get. Apple has copied a tremendous amount of features, and with iOS 13 having both dark mode and a fixed volume HUD even more reasons (Noctis / Eclipse and SmartVolumeControl2) are gone. And those, along with CallBarXS (call bar instead of fullscreen calls) and Jellyfish (weather on your lockscreen) are by far the most popular tweaks. I suspect at least the fullscreen calling will be redone in iOS 14. Theming and game emulators will probably never come to the App Store, but those are even more niche. Terminal emulators and Python environments are already in the store. That leaves.. SSHing into your phone I guess, which is mostly a gimmick. That's not to say the wild wild west wasn't fun back then. I remember both the Yellowsn0w and Redsn0w periods of jailbreaking vividly. Icy (a Cydia alternative) dying, being revived, and dying again. Down the nostalgia rabbit hole we go..

Wowfunhappy 7y ago
There a plethora of reasons I still Jailbreak my phone, but some off the top of my head: • Put an extra column of icons per page on my homescreen. • Rename apps on the homescreen, and change their icons. • Enable the iPad's "grid" app switcher on my phone. • Remove the stupid app bar in Messages. • Hide various UI elements around the OS and in apps, to make everything cleaner. (Cool note: you can use PermaFlex to hide nearly any arbitrary element.) • Downgrade apps that release updates I dislike. • Stop Apple News from creating "personalized" recommendations that would keep me in a filter bubble. • Play audio from Youtube videos (in Safari) while the screen is locked. • Install a Userscript that gets rid of AMP in Google search results. I realize a lot of these things are nitpicks—some maybe even personal eccentricities—but taken together they just make my phone a lot more pleasant to use. I would not buy an iPhone I could not Jailbreak, full stop.
- josteink 7y ago
  > Play audio from Youtube videos (in Safari) while the screen is locked. You have a long good list of reasons, but this one is fixable by installing the YouTube app and paying for premium.
  - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
    If Google tried to charge for background playback on desktop, the extensions would arrive within days. iOS allows Google to get away with it, but that's precisely the problem with iOS's model. Besides, I don't want to install a separate app. It's a website, and I should be able to use my web browser. Edit: Also, this patch doesn't just work on Youtube, it's for any video in Safari.
    - skonteam 7y ago
      I use invidio.us to listen to YouTube videos in the background and it works great.
    - ben-schaaf 7y ago
      For Android we've already got this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-background-play-fix/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-backgro...
    - josteink 7y ago
      > If Google tried to charge for background playback on desktop To be fair premium includes lots of things, including unlimited music streaming ala Spotify, ad free YouTube etc. You’re not paying only for the background playback. Literally no one would be willing to pay for that. It’s just a minor perk, that’s all. A perk you said you’d be willing to risk JBing your (expensive) phone over. Most people would probably be more willing to just pay the fee for what is a fairly decent music streaming service.
      - Bootvis 7y ago
        I just don’t like being extorted.
        koolba 7y ago
        Neither do I but it's not even the extortion part that prevents me for signing up for a service like that. It's knowing that they will link my viewing habits to my Google account and never delete them.
- frusciante29 7y ago
  I'm paraphrasing, but if you think you can hack your way to individuality, you are not so smart. Check it: https://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/04/12/selling-out/ https://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/04/12/selling-out/
breakmeout 7y ago
I’m considering jail breaking to be able to force my phone to stay on 4G. It’s a stupid omission by Apple to not have a “4G only” toggle. 3G connectivity really sucks and it’s annoying to randomly be downgraded when you have perfectly fine 4G coverage.
- mthoms 7y ago
  Yeah thats really annoying. Why does that even happen?
- steveharman 7y ago
  What do you propose a "stay on 4G" option would do when the device loses 4G coverage? Drop signal altogether? iirc falling back to 3G from 4, or 2G from 3 is to cover temporary coverage blackspots and allow data / voice communication to continue. Albeit less optimally.
  - breakmeout 7y ago
    Firstly, losing 4G coverage isn’t an issue where I use my phone. I don’t live in a third world country like the US. Despite this my iPhone will randomly decide to downgrade to 3G. As to what the phone should do when going outside an 4G coverage area when being in “4G only” mode is nothing. It should just aggressively try to reconnect. A discrete icon about 3G network availability should be shown. A press on the 3G icon would enable temporary 3G roaming. The underlying problem is that Apple handles roaming between 2G/3G/4G networks poorly. I could wish Apple would do it better, but that’s like wishing for an unicorn. Hence my strong leanings toward jailbreaing.
  - apostacy 7y ago
    I have had similar problems. The algorithm they use is not perfect. My Nexus One used to fall back to 2G whenever my 3G got below like two bars, it was so annoying. And also there would be a temporary outage while it switched. I eventually learned how to hard disable 2G, and service improved greatly, because even one bar of 3G was better than 2G.
- Wowfunhappy 7y ago
ValentineC 7y ago
> Theming and game emulators will probably never come to the App Store, but those are even more niche. Apple thankfully enabled sideloading for "free" developer accounts, and someone released AltStore (a distribution method for the Delta game emulator) yesterday [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21083092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21083092
- Wowfunhappy 7y ago
  But you usually have a three app limit and need to reinstall every seven days. Altstore is using some very clever tricks to get around that, and while I applaud the developer’s creativity I don’t expect it to last.
kristofferR 7y ago
You forget call recording.
kirb 7y ago
We hear this “Apple has done everything you could only get with a jailbreak so jailbreaking is now obsolete” every year, yet we still see neat new system-level functionality ideas show up all the time. Plenty of new ideas came about from jailbreakers in the “post-limera1n” era (2014 - present) including ones you’ve mentioned. I’d be certain this will open the floodgates to a plethora of new ideas, simply because it’ll soon be far less risky to develop jailbreak things (no need to be concerned about soft-bricking your phone, forcing you to restore to the latest, probably non-jailbreakable iOS version). The workarounds employed by the latest jailbreaks to avoid triggering security checks also made it just that little bit more annoying to work with. Developers being able to run in a “fully jailbroken, anything goes” state like the jailbreaks of yesteryear, as well as being able to develop on top of iOS beta releases, would encourage development once more. And no terminal app in the App Store compares to actually running your code on bare metal with no clever workarounds required to make Apple happy. I don’t want to add network delays (mosh is great but still just isn’t the same) and worry about transferring files around, or force myself to run inside an emulated, fenced-off world (iSH). It’s just easier to run programs like, well, actual programs. This is why I develop NewTerm, a local terminal app for iOS, and am a huge fan of Termux on Android which neatly packages an entire self-contained ecosystem that still runs on bare metal.
jsassu20 7y ago
THIS IS NOT A JAILBREAK! JAILBREAK AND ITS ASSOCIATIONS WITH ADDED FUNCTIONALITY ACROSS APPLE HARDWARE DURING THE PAST 10 YEARS IN WHICH APPLE MANAGED TO CREATE A NEARLY FLAWLESS DESIGN WITH FAIL SAFE AFTER FAILSAFE AFTER FAILSAFE IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT ITS PRODUCTS WERE UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE COMPANY AND COULDNT BE USED IN ANY OTHER VIABLE MANOR OUTSIDE OFB THE CONFINDES OF THEIR IDEO OF WHAT THE FUNCTIONALY OF EACH PRODUCT SHOULD BE AND WHETER OR NOT ANYONE OF THEIR CUSTOMERS TRULY HAD ANY CLUE JUST HOW MUCH SHADY STUFF WENT DOWN WITH THE DIRECTION AND DESPERATION THAT APPLE SEEMED HELL BENT ON FINDING EVERY VIABLE METHOD FOR SNUFFING OUT THE JB COMMUNITY FOR SIMPLY ADDING IN EXTRA FEATURES AND FUNCTIONALITY TO IOS AS THE BASIS FOR ALL JB IN THE PAST DECADE. THIS IS THE ABILITY TO DO ALL OF THAT AND ITS THE LEAST IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT THIS EXPLOIT MEANS FOR THE NEXT 5-7 YEARS THAT THE iPhone 7 8 AND X WILL ALL BE CAPE-ABLE OF HANDLING WITH EASE. IF APPLE DESIDE THAT THE iPhone X WONT BE RECEIVING IOS 17 THEN GUESS WHAT? THE APPLE OPEN SOURCE PROJECT IS AS REALISTIC OF A POSSIBILITY TO BE THE ONES WHO COULD SAY NONSENSE TO THE IDE OF DROPPING SUPPORT FOR THE DEVICE AND INSTEAD JUST RELEASING A MODIFIED VERSION OF IOS 17 WHICH THE iPhone X WOULD BE ABLE TO RUN! THIS IS THE TYPE OF POTENTIAL BENIFICAL support that iOS lovers can look forward to enjoying. Imagine the unprecedented amount of iOS based open source distros we are looking at the possibility of seeing as absolutely achievable and probably in the mind of a few evils genius nerds with a brand new challenge in front of them and the ability to take what was the most amazing and well designed OS on the market and then add in the complete and utter control of any aspect of its functionality being as easy of an accomplishment as it is for the same development which is the basis of the Android phone markets appeal to others who want to be able to do more and also have a premium platform like IOS to just exploit every aspect of for years to come. This is not the beginning of a new era in jailbreaking, this is the beginning of a whole entire range of competition and hardware utilization which could result in the absolute liberation of iOS bottlenecks in any of apples original code meaning absolute jack shit to the exploration of iOS in a manor that was absolutely never in a million years a legitimate state of affairs that anyone could have ever predicted! Apple spends 10 years hammering in the layers of security which are eveybit about their bottom line as it was claimed their motivations were strictly based on their customers privacy. Back and forth in a game of cat and mouse where they made running anything other than what they wanted on their hardware as close to impossible that the idea of calling any device jailbroken while completely incapable of doing anything of significant value which requires the ability for the device to run unsigned code and the benefits offered by such an ability would be the absolute fault of apple in the end as to the reason for todays state of affairs! All of that time and money making the single most secure mobile os on the planet with a boot loader that was on every device they created from the iPhone 5s to the iPhone X and in the end its not the security researchers who discover the keys to the whole kingdom, its a tiny bug in a potion of every device which that secure legacy allowed to persist in all their products and the very thing that gave us a 10 year iOS in prison is ultimately the thing which sets the platform free in the end!

by jorvi 7y ago

Wowfunhappy 7y ago

There a plethora of reasons I still Jailbreak my phone, but some off the top of my head: • Put an extra column of icons per page on my homescreen. • Rename apps on the homescreen, and change their icons. • Enable the iPad's "grid" app switcher on my phone. • Remove the stupid app bar in Messages. • Hide various UI elements around the OS and in apps, to make everything cleaner. (Cool note: you can use PermaFlex to hide nearly any arbitrary element.) • Downgrade apps that release updates I dislike. • Stop Apple News from creating "personalized" recommendations that would keep me in a filter bubble. • Play audio from Youtube videos (in Safari) while the screen is locked. • Install a Userscript that gets rid of AMP in Google search results. I realize a lot of these things are nitpicks—some maybe even personal eccentricities—but taken together they just make my phone a lot more pleasant to use. I would not buy an iPhone I could not Jailbreak, full stop.

josteink 7y ago
> Play audio from Youtube videos (in Safari) while the screen is locked. You have a long good list of reasons, but this one is fixable by installing the YouTube app and paying for premium.
- Wowfunhappy 7y ago
  If Google tried to charge for background playback on desktop, the extensions would arrive within days. iOS allows Google to get away with it, but that's precisely the problem with iOS's model. Besides, I don't want to install a separate app. It's a website, and I should be able to use my web browser. Edit: Also, this patch doesn't just work on Youtube, it's for any video in Safari.
  - skonteam 7y ago
    I use invidio.us to listen to YouTube videos in the background and it works great.
  - ben-schaaf 7y ago
    For Android we've already got this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-background-play-fix/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-backgro...
  - josteink 7y ago
    > If Google tried to charge for background playback on desktop To be fair premium includes lots of things, including unlimited music streaming ala Spotify, ad free YouTube etc. You’re not paying only for the background playback. Literally no one would be willing to pay for that. It’s just a minor perk, that’s all. A perk you said you’d be willing to risk JBing your (expensive) phone over. Most people would probably be more willing to just pay the fee for what is a fairly decent music streaming service.
    - Bootvis 7y ago
      I just don’t like being extorted.
      - koolba 7y ago
        Neither do I but it's not even the extortion part that prevents me for signing up for a service like that. It's knowing that they will link my viewing habits to my Google account and never delete them.
frusciante29 7y ago
I'm paraphrasing, but if you think you can hack your way to individuality, you are not so smart. Check it: https://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/04/12/selling-out/ https://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/04/12/selling-out/

breakmeout 7y ago

I’m considering jail breaking to be able to force my phone to stay on 4G. It’s a stupid omission by Apple to not have a “4G only” toggle. 3G connectivity really sucks and it’s annoying to randomly be downgraded when you have perfectly fine 4G coverage.

mthoms 7y ago
Yeah thats really annoying. Why does that even happen?
steveharman 7y ago
What do you propose a "stay on 4G" option would do when the device loses 4G coverage? Drop signal altogether? iirc falling back to 3G from 4, or 2G from 3 is to cover temporary coverage blackspots and allow data / voice communication to continue. Albeit less optimally.
- breakmeout 7y ago
  Firstly, losing 4G coverage isn’t an issue where I use my phone. I don’t live in a third world country like the US. Despite this my iPhone will randomly decide to downgrade to 3G. As to what the phone should do when going outside an 4G coverage area when being in “4G only” mode is nothing. It should just aggressively try to reconnect. A discrete icon about 3G network availability should be shown. A press on the 3G icon would enable temporary 3G roaming. The underlying problem is that Apple handles roaming between 2G/3G/4G networks poorly. I could wish Apple would do it better, but that’s like wishing for an unicorn. Hence my strong leanings toward jailbreaing.
- apostacy 7y ago
  I have had similar problems. The algorithm they use is not perfect. My Nexus One used to fall back to 2G whenever my 3G got below like two bars, it was so annoying. And also there would be a temporary outage while it switched. I eventually learned how to hard disable 2G, and service improved greatly, because even one bar of 3G was better than 2G.
Wowfunhappy 7y ago

ValentineC 7y ago

> Theming and game emulators will probably never come to the App Store, but those are even more niche. Apple thankfully enabled sideloading for "free" developer accounts, and someone released AltStore (a distribution method for the Delta game emulator) yesterday [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21083092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21083092

Wowfunhappy 7y ago
But you usually have a three app limit and need to reinstall every seven days. Altstore is using some very clever tricks to get around that, and while I applaud the developer’s creativity I don’t expect it to last.

kristofferR 7y ago

You forget call recording.

kirb 7y ago

We hear this “Apple has done everything you could only get with a jailbreak so jailbreaking is now obsolete” every year, yet we still see neat new system-level functionality ideas show up all the time. Plenty of new ideas came about from jailbreakers in the “post-limera1n” era (2014 - present) including ones you’ve mentioned. I’d be certain this will open the floodgates to a plethora of new ideas, simply because it’ll soon be far less risky to develop jailbreak things (no need to be concerned about soft-bricking your phone, forcing you to restore to the latest, probably non-jailbreakable iOS version). The workarounds employed by the latest jailbreaks to avoid triggering security checks also made it just that little bit more annoying to work with. Developers being able to run in a “fully jailbroken, anything goes” state like the jailbreaks of yesteryear, as well as being able to develop on top of iOS beta releases, would encourage development once more. And no terminal app in the App Store compares to actually running your code on bare metal with no clever workarounds required to make Apple happy. I don’t want to add network delays (mosh is great but still just isn’t the same) and worry about transferring files around, or force myself to run inside an emulated, fenced-off world (iSH). It’s just easier to run programs like, well, actual programs. This is why I develop NewTerm, a local terminal app for iOS, and am a huge fan of Termux on Android which neatly packages an entire self-contained ecosystem that still runs on bare metal.

jsassu20 7y ago

THIS IS NOT A JAILBREAK! JAILBREAK AND ITS ASSOCIATIONS WITH ADDED FUNCTIONALITY ACROSS APPLE HARDWARE DURING THE PAST 10 YEARS IN WHICH APPLE MANAGED TO CREATE A NEARLY FLAWLESS DESIGN WITH FAIL SAFE AFTER FAILSAFE AFTER FAILSAFE IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT ITS PRODUCTS WERE UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE COMPANY AND COULDNT BE USED IN ANY OTHER VIABLE MANOR OUTSIDE OFB THE CONFINDES OF THEIR IDEO OF WHAT THE FUNCTIONALY OF EACH PRODUCT SHOULD BE AND WHETER OR NOT ANYONE OF THEIR CUSTOMERS TRULY HAD ANY CLUE JUST HOW MUCH SHADY STUFF WENT DOWN WITH THE DIRECTION AND DESPERATION THAT APPLE SEEMED HELL BENT ON FINDING EVERY VIABLE METHOD FOR SNUFFING OUT THE JB COMMUNITY FOR SIMPLY ADDING IN EXTRA FEATURES AND FUNCTIONALITY TO IOS AS THE BASIS FOR ALL JB IN THE PAST DECADE. THIS IS THE ABILITY TO DO ALL OF THAT AND ITS THE LEAST IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT THIS EXPLOIT MEANS FOR THE NEXT 5-7 YEARS THAT THE iPhone 7 8 AND X WILL ALL BE CAPE-ABLE OF HANDLING WITH EASE. IF APPLE DESIDE THAT THE iPhone X WONT BE RECEIVING IOS 17 THEN GUESS WHAT? THE APPLE OPEN SOURCE PROJECT IS AS REALISTIC OF A POSSIBILITY TO BE THE ONES WHO COULD SAY NONSENSE TO THE IDE OF DROPPING SUPPORT FOR THE DEVICE AND INSTEAD JUST RELEASING A MODIFIED VERSION OF IOS 17 WHICH THE iPhone X WOULD BE ABLE TO RUN! THIS IS THE TYPE OF POTENTIAL BENIFICAL support that iOS lovers can look forward to enjoying. Imagine the unprecedented amount of iOS based open source distros we are looking at the possibility of seeing as absolutely achievable and probably in the mind of a few evils genius nerds with a brand new challenge in front of them and the ability to take what was the most amazing and well designed OS on the market and then add in the complete and utter control of any aspect of its functionality being as easy of an accomplishment as it is for the same development which is the basis of the Android phone markets appeal to others who want to be able to do more and also have a premium platform like IOS to just exploit every aspect of for years to come. This is not the beginning of a new era in jailbreaking, this is the beginning of a whole entire range of competition and hardware utilization which could result in the absolute liberation of iOS bottlenecks in any of apples original code meaning absolute jack shit to the exploration of iOS in a manor that was absolutely never in a million years a legitimate state of affairs that anyone could have ever predicted! Apple spends 10 years hammering in the layers of security which are eveybit about their bottom line as it was claimed their motivations were strictly based on their customers privacy. Back and forth in a game of cat and mouse where they made running anything other than what they wanted on their hardware as close to impossible that the idea of calling any device jailbroken while completely incapable of doing anything of significant value which requires the ability for the device to run unsigned code and the benefits offered by such an ability would be the absolute fault of apple in the end as to the reason for todays state of affairs! All of that time and money making the single most secure mobile os on the planet with a boot loader that was on every device they created from the iPhone 5s to the iPhone X and in the end its not the security researchers who discover the keys to the whole kingdom, its a tiny bug in a potion of every device which that secure legacy allowed to persist in all their products and the very thing that gave us a 10 year iOS in prison is ultimately the thing which sets the platform free in the end!