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> if you’re spending time at a job that is leading to “anxiety”, “stress”, and “burn out”, you’re optimizing for PTO when you should be optimizing for finding a

> if you’re spending time at a job that is leading to “anxiety”, “stress”, and “burn out”, you’re optimizing for PTO when you should be optimizing for finding a job that doesn’t stress you out while you’re working. I never suggested my job was any of those things or that I practice “optimizing for PTO”. Far from it.

scarface74 7y ago
From the original post... You get to truly disconnect/recharge, prevents burnout, I get to spend more time with friends and family, my stress/anxiety At this point in my career, I wouldn’t let a job lead to any of the negatives nor would it stop me from spending time with friends or family.
- whycombagator 7y ago
  Your inference is incorrect. Where in that quote, or my posts, do I say I "optimize for PTO", or that my job is stressful or causes anxiety? I don't. I was specifically talking about/referring to low PTO and what it does to me - and why I think 28 days as a floor is beneficial. A final few thought experiements for you (I don't expect you to reply answering these...): - If your employer offered you 15 days extra PTO, would you take it? - How would you use it? Where would you go? What would you do? - How would those extra 15 days impact you?
  - scarface74 7y ago
    If 8 more days is the difference between having “anxiety” or “burnout”, that means you are already close to the edge. If I had 15 more days what would I do with it? Stay at home and try to burn through it? My lack of PTO isn’t what’s preventing me from taking more vacations. Visiting friends and family? They work and have families too. Hobbies? With who? All of the people who have jobs so that we could only get together after work or on the weekends? In other words, the impact wouldn’t be that much.
    - whycombagator 7y ago
      > If 8 more days is the difference between having “anxiety” or “burnout”, that means you are already close to the edge. Truly I am at the precipice /s More seriously, if you went from 20 days PTO to 28 that is a 40% increase. Bundled in with typically longer holidays like Xmas or Thanksgiving 8 days PTO can be 2 full weeks off

scarface74 7y ago

From the original post... You get to truly disconnect/recharge, prevents burnout, I get to spend more time with friends and family, my stress/anxiety At this point in my career, I wouldn’t let a job lead to any of the negatives nor would it stop me from spending time with friends or family.

whycombagator 7y ago
Your inference is incorrect. Where in that quote, or my posts, do I say I "optimize for PTO", or that my job is stressful or causes anxiety? I don't. I was specifically talking about/referring to low PTO and what it does to me - and why I think 28 days as a floor is beneficial. A final few thought experiements for you (I don't expect you to reply answering these...): - If your employer offered you 15 days extra PTO, would you take it? - How would you use it? Where would you go? What would you do? - How would those extra 15 days impact you?
- scarface74 7y ago
  If 8 more days is the difference between having “anxiety” or “burnout”, that means you are already close to the edge. If I had 15 more days what would I do with it? Stay at home and try to burn through it? My lack of PTO isn’t what’s preventing me from taking more vacations. Visiting friends and family? They work and have families too. Hobbies? With who? All of the people who have jobs so that we could only get together after work or on the weekends? In other words, the impact wouldn’t be that much.
  - whycombagator 7y ago
    > If 8 more days is the difference between having “anxiety” or “burnout”, that means you are already close to the edge. Truly I am at the precipice /s More seriously, if you went from 20 days PTO to 28 that is a 40% increase. Bundled in with typically longer holidays like Xmas or Thanksgiving 8 days PTO can be 2 full weeks off