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> he outright fired a transgender woman from the FSF for reporting her transphobic coworker who kept harassing her Would you mind providing a citation for this

> he outright fired a transgender woman from the FSF for reporting her transphobic coworker who kept harassing her Would you mind providing a citation for this? I am legitimately curious, Leah for example retracted their comments on the issue. > Not to mention his refusal to respect the pronouns of trans, queer, and nonbinary folks. Please elaborate. This is the first time that I hear of such an accusation. > See also https://mobile.twitter.com/_sagesharp_/status/11736371384133.. https://mobile.twitter.com/_sagesharp_/status/11736371384133.... I don't see anything wrong there. What is wrong with believing that victimless crimes should be legal? Also, asking someone on a date is harassment now? What?

pseudalopex 7y ago
As far as I know, Stallman respects "he", "she", and a genderless pronoun he made up. He refuses to respect singular "they".[1] [1] https://stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html https://stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html
- dependenttypes 7y ago
  > he made up He says that he took it from "Marge Piercy's book Woman on the Edge of Time" > He refuses to respect singular "they". He says "As for \"they\", if you are plural by nature — for instance, if you are a colonial organism or a group mind, or if you wish to be known for having multiple personalities — I will use that plural pronoun to refer to you.", which seems fair to me.
  - pseudalopex 7y ago
    He made up "perse". Singular "they" is common English. Not respecting it seems unfair to me.
    - dependenttypes 7y ago
      Unfair to whom? And why do you think that it is unfair? Is it just because it is popular?
      - astura 7y ago
        It's not behavior that should be exhibited by a leader/evangelist for a cause.
        dependenttypes 7y ago
        I think that you posted this to the wrong post by mistake.
    - virgilp 7y ago
      You're talking about the guy who, in the email thread that "ended" him, complained that he can't read a link because the site doesn't work with OSS technologies. He's extreme in following his dogma. If he believes "they" is plural in nature, he will refuse to use that as a singular - and that is not because he disrespects you, but because he thinks "this is the right thing to do". If you believe it's fair to have a particular personality that requires other persons to call you "they".... doesn't it follow that it's fair to have a particular personality that makes you feel very bad about "misusing English"? It's really two sides of the same coin, if you believe a person has the right to decide what pronouns he's comfortable being called, you must also believe a person has the right to decide how he uses a particular pronoun. The essential thing here is that RMS doesn't avoid "they" out of disrespect, but out of his own particular weirdness/ peculiarity... something that we should be able to respect.

pseudalopex 7y ago

As far as I know, Stallman respects "he", "she", and a genderless pronoun he made up. He refuses to respect singular "they".[1] [1] https://stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html https://stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html

dependenttypes 7y ago
> he made up He says that he took it from "Marge Piercy's book Woman on the Edge of Time" > He refuses to respect singular "they". He says "As for \"they\", if you are plural by nature — for instance, if you are a colonial organism or a group mind, or if you wish to be known for having multiple personalities — I will use that plural pronoun to refer to you.", which seems fair to me.
- pseudalopex 7y ago
  He made up "perse". Singular "they" is common English. Not respecting it seems unfair to me.
  - dependenttypes 7y ago
    Unfair to whom? And why do you think that it is unfair? Is it just because it is popular?
    - astura 7y ago
      It's not behavior that should be exhibited by a leader/evangelist for a cause.
      - dependenttypes 7y ago
        I think that you posted this to the wrong post by mistake.
  - virgilp 7y ago
    You're talking about the guy who, in the email thread that "ended" him, complained that he can't read a link because the site doesn't work with OSS technologies. He's extreme in following his dogma. If he believes "they" is plural in nature, he will refuse to use that as a singular - and that is not because he disrespects you, but because he thinks "this is the right thing to do". If you believe it's fair to have a particular personality that requires other persons to call you "they".... doesn't it follow that it's fair to have a particular personality that makes you feel very bad about "misusing English"? It's really two sides of the same coin, if you believe a person has the right to decide what pronouns he's comfortable being called, you must also believe a person has the right to decide how he uses a particular pronoun. The essential thing here is that RMS doesn't avoid "they" out of disrespect, but out of his own particular weirdness/ peculiarity... something that we should be able to respect.