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The founders are very busy devising wage theft schemes. How can they possibly spend time on security or apologies?

by souterrain 7y ago

paulddraper 7y ago
> devising wage theft schemes Expand?
- nwsm 7y ago
  Basically if you "tip" a driver through DoorDash, the tip doesn't really end up going to them. https://qz.com/1659475/the-merits-of-tipping-your-doordash-delivery-worker-in-cash/ https://qz.com/1659475/the-merits-of-tipping-your-doordash-d...
  - Choco31415 7y ago
    DoorDash implemented that scheme to give more consistent payments to workers, as tips are quite variable. Anyway, if it helps, DoorDash is currently moving away from that model. [0] [0] https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/22/20828742/doordash-tipping-policy-change-drivers-earning-more-money https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/22/20828742/doordash-tipping...
    - paulddraper 7y ago
      > as tips are quite variable That's kind of the point. And par for the course in any tipped job. If DoorDash had actually wanted to make it consistent, they would've just removed tipping, like everyone else does that wants to do that. What they did was shady as hell, and they know it which is why they are changing it. --- * There is the common, legally mandated practice for employees where minimum wage is paid instead of tips, until base pay plus tips meets that. You could make the argument that DoorDash base pay is simply $0. But (A) base pay of $0 is never done (B) base plus tips don't typical fall below minimum wage (C) this doesn't really apply anyway since DoorDash doesn't pay wages; it pays contractor fees.
- CocaKoala 7y ago
  There was recently a controversy over how Doordash implemented its tipping policy. Drivers get paid a wage to deliver food to you, and you would expect that if you specify a tip through the application, that tip goes to the driver and their compensation is increased by N, where N is the amount of the tip you specified. It turned out that until recently, that was not the case; drivers would get a wage to deliver food to you, and if you specified a tip through the application, then the driver would have money deducted from their wage equal to the amount of the tip up until tips made up one hundred percent of their wages, at which point tips would increase their take-home. So in effect, Doordash was using tips to subsidize worker pay as opposed to augmenting worker pay, and this was in no way communicated to customers who reasonably expected that a tip would increase the worker's compensation.
  - paulddraper 7y ago
    Yikes. That is extremely misleading. Another reason to tip in cash, I suppose :/
- rockinghigh 7y ago
  Instacart and DoorDash used to deduct tips from the money paid to drivers so drivers make the same regardless of whether they receive tips or not. Instacart changed their policy in February 2019 while DoorDash changed it in the last month. Other delivery services like UberEats, Postmates, and Grubhub did not engage in this practice.

The founders are very busy devising wage theft schemes. How can they possibly spend time on security or apologies?

paulddraper 7y ago

> devising wage theft schemes Expand?

nwsm 7y ago
Basically if you "tip" a driver through DoorDash, the tip doesn't really end up going to them. https://qz.com/1659475/the-merits-of-tipping-your-doordash-delivery-worker-in-cash/ https://qz.com/1659475/the-merits-of-tipping-your-doordash-d...
- Choco31415 7y ago
  DoorDash implemented that scheme to give more consistent payments to workers, as tips are quite variable. Anyway, if it helps, DoorDash is currently moving away from that model. [0] [0] https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/22/20828742/doordash-tipping-policy-change-drivers-earning-more-money https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/22/20828742/doordash-tipping...
  - paulddraper 7y ago
    > as tips are quite variable That's kind of the point. And par for the course in any tipped job. If DoorDash had actually wanted to make it consistent, they would've just removed tipping, like everyone else does that wants to do that. What they did was shady as hell, and they know it which is why they are changing it. --- * There is the common, legally mandated practice for employees where minimum wage is paid instead of tips, until base pay plus tips meets that. You could make the argument that DoorDash base pay is simply $0. But (A) base pay of $0 is never done (B) base plus tips don't typical fall below minimum wage (C) this doesn't really apply anyway since DoorDash doesn't pay wages; it pays contractor fees.
CocaKoala 7y ago
There was recently a controversy over how Doordash implemented its tipping policy. Drivers get paid a wage to deliver food to you, and you would expect that if you specify a tip through the application, that tip goes to the driver and their compensation is increased by N, where N is the amount of the tip you specified. It turned out that until recently, that was not the case; drivers would get a wage to deliver food to you, and if you specified a tip through the application, then the driver would have money deducted from their wage equal to the amount of the tip up until tips made up one hundred percent of their wages, at which point tips would increase their take-home. So in effect, Doordash was using tips to subsidize worker pay as opposed to augmenting worker pay, and this was in no way communicated to customers who reasonably expected that a tip would increase the worker's compensation.
- paulddraper 7y ago
  Yikes. That is extremely misleading. Another reason to tip in cash, I suppose :/
rockinghigh 7y ago
Instacart and DoorDash used to deduct tips from the money paid to drivers so drivers make the same regardless of whether they receive tips or not. Instacart changed their policy in February 2019 while DoorDash changed it in the last month. Other delivery services like UberEats, Postmates, and Grubhub did not engage in this practice.