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> This seems acceptable to me And to other's that seems like he doesn't respect the wishes of others and instead behaves in a way that is logically sound in hi

by mnsc 7y ago

> This seems acceptable to me And to other's that seems like he doesn't respect the wishes of others and instead behaves in a way that is logically sound in his own mind. That's not a crime. Just a disrespectful way of behaving that generates antagonists instead of friends. Side note: "per" is very funny to me as a swede since it's a super common traditionally(exclusively?) male name.

hdfbdtbcdg 7y ago
Didn't Swedish add a new pronoun for gender neutral? I.e. exactly what RMS does?
- mnsc 7y ago
  No, not really. We added "hen" who is short for "han/hon" ("he/she"). Some people want "hen" as pronoun as well which I think is awkward. I've only met nb people here who wants to be called "den", I guess from english "they". That is really hard for my programming since "den" is commonly used to refer to inanimate objects. It seem so inhuman to me that I have a really hard time respecting that. I try though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  - hdfbdtbcdg 7y ago
    He and she (and apparently now they) are subject pronouns as are han/hon... What is hen if not a subject pronoun?
    - mnsc 7y ago
      IANAL (linguist) so I'm sure you're right. My point is that hen wasn't promoted to use to refer to actual people but to eliminate the annoying "he/she". A construction which often was forgotten when referring to a profession which has a stereotypical gender. Ex: Doctors become "he" and nurses become "she". That was the problem "hen" tried to solve.
dependenttypes 7y ago
> That's not a crime. Just a disrespectful way of behaving that generates antagonists instead of friends. That goes both ways though.
scoutt 7y ago
> respect the wishes of others Please define "others". It should be a definition that is not only "transgender people". Could it be "all the people in the world that is not you"? If so, it is impossible to please them all. Some will contradict each other. It will generate antagonists or you will be seen as rude whenever you want it or not. So you may decide you will be siding and pleasing those "others" who are "right" (based on your personal preference only). But at the same time, not everyone who is "not right" is necessarily "wrong". I'm not siding with anyone, and I won't tell if I use or not special pronouns. But today the discussion is about pronouns. Tomorrow, who knows? Up to where are you willing to bend?
Uberphallus 7y ago
And my wish is that you empty your wallet and gimme all your money. See? Now you're not respeting my wishes. Not a crime, but you're disrespecting me and antagonizing me!

by mnsc 7y ago

hdfbdtbcdg 7y ago

Didn't Swedish add a new pronoun for gender neutral? I.e. exactly what RMS does?

mnsc 7y ago
No, not really. We added "hen" who is short for "han/hon" ("he/she"). Some people want "hen" as pronoun as well which I think is awkward. I've only met nb people here who wants to be called "den", I guess from english "they". That is really hard for my programming since "den" is commonly used to refer to inanimate objects. It seem so inhuman to me that I have a really hard time respecting that. I try though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- hdfbdtbcdg 7y ago
  He and she (and apparently now they) are subject pronouns as are han/hon... What is hen if not a subject pronoun?
  - mnsc 7y ago
    IANAL (linguist) so I'm sure you're right. My point is that hen wasn't promoted to use to refer to actual people but to eliminate the annoying "he/she". A construction which often was forgotten when referring to a profession which has a stereotypical gender. Ex: Doctors become "he" and nurses become "she". That was the problem "hen" tried to solve.

dependenttypes 7y ago

> That's not a crime. Just a disrespectful way of behaving that generates antagonists instead of friends. That goes both ways though.

scoutt 7y ago

> respect the wishes of others Please define "others". It should be a definition that is not only "transgender people". Could it be "all the people in the world that is not you"? If so, it is impossible to please them all. Some will contradict each other. It will generate antagonists or you will be seen as rude whenever you want it or not. So you may decide you will be siding and pleasing those "others" who are "right" (based on your personal preference only). But at the same time, not everyone who is "not right" is necessarily "wrong". I'm not siding with anyone, and I won't tell if I use or not special pronouns. But today the discussion is about pronouns. Tomorrow, who knows? Up to where are you willing to bend?

Uberphallus 7y ago

And my wish is that you empty your wallet and gimme all your money. See? Now you're not respeting my wishes. Not a crime, but you're disrespecting me and antagonizing me!