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i have an analog vehicle, and the car doesn't need to have to remember my settings because they are physically in the same location.

DangerousPie 7y ago
And what if you share your car with someone who prefers different settings?
- herewego 7y ago
  Like in any modern analog car, the knobs are free spinning and therefore remember their settings. It’s a tactile version of tapping a screen that is a better UX IMHO. When my significant other uses my car, they hit #2 on the preset settings and everything slides and turns into place. This is a well solved problem and has been for many years. Note: I am a former P85D Model S owner.
  - whenchamenia 7y ago
    Free spinning knobs are not analog, but digital encoders.
    - herewego 7y ago
      “relating to or using signals or information represented by a continuously variable physical quantity such as spatial position, voltage, etc.” - from our friends at Oxford. https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/analog https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/analog
- epalm 7y ago
  Then they change the settings, and if they're a considerate human being, they change them back. If they're not, then you get to grumble a bit, change them back yourself, and consider not sharing your car with that person again. I don't think the world has lost anything substantial here. Just realized I might be a grumpy old man.
  - marvin 7y ago
    Maybe you always share your car with a partner that's 25 centimeters shorter than you, requiring different settings for seat & steering weel position, and also has a different body composition that makes them want different climate control settings. It shouldn't be so controversial to claim that automatic adjustment of settings is a net UX win this this common scenario.
    - Loic 7y ago
      Since at least 1987, Cadillac is offering this with simple hardware push buttons. We have that in a VW "group" car and turning the dial in the center console allow to adjust as needed the temperature + airflow in less than 1 second.
    - otterley 7y ago
      This problem was solved over a decade ago with memorized seating positions tied to the key fob. It wouldn’t have been too much of a stretch (pun not intended!) to memorize and set the temperature alongside the other settings using the existing system.
      - xeromal 7y ago
        That's literally what the tesla does. You tie a profile to a key, card, or phone.
        otterley 7y ago
        Right - I meant that it can also be accomplished with an old-school analog system, too. It doesn't require a tablet-based system like Tesla's as a baseline.
        xeromal 7y ago
        There's no tablet involved after the initial setup you do when you buy the car. As soon as I unlock the car, everything moves into place. And for the set up, it is analog. There's 2 trackball-like things you jigger around to move your seat, mirrors, and steering column.
- xxs 7y ago
  Similar to the changing the seat or steering wheel position, except easier to dial it back.
- kerkeslager 7y ago
  Spending 5 seconds changing the 3 settings that matter occasionally isn't a problem I care about. Not being able to fix my own car because you've used space age technology to solve turning a dial IS a problem I care about.
- throw0101a 7y ago
  > And what if you share your car with someone who prefers different settings? There have been cars that change various settings depending on the key fob used ("hers and his"): * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSoJPgFSDOE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSoJPgFSDOE Before fobs, where you actually put the key in the ignition hols, there were cars with "memory buttons".

DangerousPie 7y ago

And what if you share your car with someone who prefers different settings?

herewego 7y ago
Like in any modern analog car, the knobs are free spinning and therefore remember their settings. It’s a tactile version of tapping a screen that is a better UX IMHO. When my significant other uses my car, they hit #2 on the preset settings and everything slides and turns into place. This is a well solved problem and has been for many years. Note: I am a former P85D Model S owner.
- whenchamenia 7y ago
  Free spinning knobs are not analog, but digital encoders.
  - herewego 7y ago
    “relating to or using signals or information represented by a continuously variable physical quantity such as spatial position, voltage, etc.” - from our friends at Oxford. https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/analog https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/analog
epalm 7y ago
Then they change the settings, and if they're a considerate human being, they change them back. If they're not, then you get to grumble a bit, change them back yourself, and consider not sharing your car with that person again. I don't think the world has lost anything substantial here. Just realized I might be a grumpy old man.
- marvin 7y ago
  Maybe you always share your car with a partner that's 25 centimeters shorter than you, requiring different settings for seat & steering weel position, and also has a different body composition that makes them want different climate control settings. It shouldn't be so controversial to claim that automatic adjustment of settings is a net UX win this this common scenario.
  - Loic 7y ago
    Since at least 1987, Cadillac is offering this with simple hardware push buttons. We have that in a VW "group" car and turning the dial in the center console allow to adjust as needed the temperature + airflow in less than 1 second.
  - otterley 7y ago
    This problem was solved over a decade ago with memorized seating positions tied to the key fob. It wouldn’t have been too much of a stretch (pun not intended!) to memorize and set the temperature alongside the other settings using the existing system.
    - xeromal 7y ago
      That's literally what the tesla does. You tie a profile to a key, card, or phone.
      - otterley 7y ago
        Right - I meant that it can also be accomplished with an old-school analog system, too. It doesn't require a tablet-based system like Tesla's as a baseline.
        xeromal 7y ago
        There's no tablet involved after the initial setup you do when you buy the car. As soon as I unlock the car, everything moves into place. And for the set up, it is analog. There's 2 trackball-like things you jigger around to move your seat, mirrors, and steering column.
xxs 7y ago
Similar to the changing the seat or steering wheel position, except easier to dial it back.
kerkeslager 7y ago
Spending 5 seconds changing the 3 settings that matter occasionally isn't a problem I care about. Not being able to fix my own car because you've used space age technology to solve turning a dial IS a problem I care about.
throw0101a 7y ago
> And what if you share your car with someone who prefers different settings? There have been cars that change various settings depending on the key fob used ("hers and his"): * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSoJPgFSDOE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSoJPgFSDOE Before fobs, where you actually put the key in the ignition hols, there were cars with "memory buttons".