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But there's also reasonable levels of discomfort and comfort, otherwise it turns into weaponized fragility. Also, Jesus, they literally classified asking someo

by esyir 7y ago

But there's also reasonable levels of discomfort and comfort, otherwise it turns into weaponized fragility. Also, Jesus, they literally classified asking someone out on a date as sexual harassment.

_ph_ 7y ago
Yes there are reasonable levels of discomfort, but at a decent work place, those cannot be set to high before HR should take actions. And by my understanding, he certainly was way more direct than asking someone out for a date. Have you seen the "pleasure cards"? I can testify of him harassing people privately over public discussions on mailing lists.
- craigsmansion 7y ago
  > Have you seen the "pleasure cards"? Yes, having been asked "business or pleasure" countless times during his travel, his "pleasure card" is a nice pun on "business card". Of course, some might not like puns, so this reduces to "guy uses corny joke to introduce himself." I'm sure that never happened before. https://fossforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/RMSleisure.jpg https://fossforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/RMSleisure.... > I can testify of him harassing people privately over public discussions on mailing lists. Taking disagreements off-list is now harassment instead of good form? Feel free to reproduce exactly these harassing private exchanges here. I'm fairly sure rms wouldn't mind, so there is nothing stopping you from providing actual evidence for this particular accusation.
  - _ph_ 7y ago
    Taking disagreements off-list is now harassment instead of good form? It wasn't disagreement, but aggressive harassment including legal threads.
  - aortega 7y ago
    >Yes, having been asked "business or pleasure" countless times during his travel, his "pleasure card" is a nice pun on "business card". That's the nerdiest joke that I ever heard. BTW this is the first time I heard the pleasure card explanation. Poor choice for a joke.
jcranmer 7y ago
In a workplace environment, it is quite possible that there could be implied ramifications to accepting or not accepting a request for a date. And if the person being asked of it sees the request for a date as having an unspoken "or else..." tacked onto the end of it... well, why shouldn't that be sexual harassment?

by esyir 7y ago

But there's also reasonable levels of discomfort and comfort, otherwise it turns into weaponized fragility. Also, Jesus, they literally classified asking someone out on a date as sexual harassment.

_ph_ 7y ago

Yes there are reasonable levels of discomfort, but at a decent work place, those cannot be set to high before HR should take actions. And by my understanding, he certainly was way more direct than asking someone out for a date. Have you seen the "pleasure cards"? I can testify of him harassing people privately over public discussions on mailing lists.

craigsmansion 7y ago
> Have you seen the "pleasure cards"? Yes, having been asked "business or pleasure" countless times during his travel, his "pleasure card" is a nice pun on "business card". Of course, some might not like puns, so this reduces to "guy uses corny joke to introduce himself." I'm sure that never happened before. https://fossforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/RMSleisure.jpg https://fossforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/RMSleisure.... > I can testify of him harassing people privately over public discussions on mailing lists. Taking disagreements off-list is now harassment instead of good form? Feel free to reproduce exactly these harassing private exchanges here. I'm fairly sure rms wouldn't mind, so there is nothing stopping you from providing actual evidence for this particular accusation.
- _ph_ 7y ago
  Taking disagreements off-list is now harassment instead of good form? It wasn't disagreement, but aggressive harassment including legal threads.
- aortega 7y ago
  >Yes, having been asked "business or pleasure" countless times during his travel, his "pleasure card" is a nice pun on "business card". That's the nerdiest joke that I ever heard. BTW this is the first time I heard the pleasure card explanation. Poor choice for a joke.

jcranmer 7y ago

In a workplace environment, it is quite possible that there could be implied ramifications to accepting or not accepting a request for a date. And if the person being asked of it sees the request for a date as having an unspoken "or else..." tacked onto the end of it... well, why shouldn't that be sexual harassment?