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>Stallman has pretty clearly lost (or never had) the trust of many members of the community, He lost or never had the trust of some very small but very vocal g

>Stallman has pretty clearly lost (or never had) the trust of many members of the community, He lost or never had the trust of some very small but very vocal group of the community. > EFF's head of cybersecurity have described him as a "creep". And we must take her judgement on people as accurate? why? Also, an accusation of "creep" should not be enough to erase all his life's work. What does "creep" means anyway? Asperger? Social inept person? Modern tech were built by creeps. >He said that an underage sex trafficking victim's "plausible" apparent consent means that the people who raped her did not commit sexual assault. He didn't said that. >he will probably not be a very effective leader of GNU, even if he was before. Why not? Software is created by "creeps" like us anyway, not by social activists. I don't see why a "creep" will not be effective as a leader.

bscphil 7y ago
> And we must take her judgement on people as accurate? why? I didn't say we should. Though I trust her judgment more than, say, yours (an anonymous person on the Internet). I used it as evidence that Stallman doesn't have the trust of the community. Also "creep" is almost certainly talking about the way he reportedly treats women, nothing to do with his social graces. > He didn't said that. He did say that. I've posted links with evidence of that already in this thread.
- aortega 7y ago
  > I trust her judgment more than, say, yours Good for you, I don't. I trust Stallman. > I used it as evidence You used a tweet from a single person that never worked with Stallman as evidence. >the way he reportedly treats women Reported by who? Is there any formal accusation or lawsuit? Did he lost such lawsuit? (because anybody can file a lawsuit).
  - bscphil 7y ago
    > You used a tweet from a single person that never worked with Stallman as evidence. I used it as evidence of the fact that many prominent members of the community have a negative opinion of Stallman. Not as evidence of anything he has or hasn't done. Please slow down a little and read my comments more carefully.
    - aortega 7y ago
      You really think that she's a prominent member? Next to Stallman or Minsky? I've never heard of her in my life up until today. And a single sample is not evidence that "many" have opinions.
  - Jonnax 7y ago
    So because the woman is unknown she is untrustworthy? Lawsuits aren't free. And the result is usually to destroy the woman's career and reputation. Especially for a popular figure where thousands will believe him no matter what. Just like you.
    - denton-scratch 7y ago
      RMS is by no means a popular figure. He's widely considered an extremist. He is heartily loathed by Microsofties, software patent advocates and the like. Only nutters like me share his fundamentalist posture on software freedom. I find his style of advocacy abrasive. But someone has to stake-out that corner of the Overton Window; his very rigidity is his strength, in that respect.
paulcole 7y ago
> Software is created by "creeps" like us anyway, not by social activists Maybe it’s time to change things up a bit?
- ta0987 7y ago
  If the activists want to start writing software nobody is stopping them. If there are so many of these disenfranchised people just clamoring to write software why don't they just get together and do it? They don't need anyone elses permission to write code or publish it.

bscphil 7y ago

> And we must take her judgement on people as accurate? why? I didn't say we should. Though I trust her judgment more than, say, yours (an anonymous person on the Internet). I used it as evidence that Stallman doesn't have the trust of the community. Also "creep" is almost certainly talking about the way he reportedly treats women, nothing to do with his social graces. > He didn't said that. He did say that. I've posted links with evidence of that already in this thread.

aortega 7y ago
> I trust her judgment more than, say, yours Good for you, I don't. I trust Stallman. > I used it as evidence You used a tweet from a single person that never worked with Stallman as evidence. >the way he reportedly treats women Reported by who? Is there any formal accusation or lawsuit? Did he lost such lawsuit? (because anybody can file a lawsuit).
- bscphil 7y ago
  > You used a tweet from a single person that never worked with Stallman as evidence. I used it as evidence of the fact that many prominent members of the community have a negative opinion of Stallman. Not as evidence of anything he has or hasn't done. Please slow down a little and read my comments more carefully.
  - aortega 7y ago
    You really think that she's a prominent member? Next to Stallman or Minsky? I've never heard of her in my life up until today. And a single sample is not evidence that "many" have opinions.
- Jonnax 7y ago
  So because the woman is unknown she is untrustworthy? Lawsuits aren't free. And the result is usually to destroy the woman's career and reputation. Especially for a popular figure where thousands will believe him no matter what. Just like you.
  - denton-scratch 7y ago
    RMS is by no means a popular figure. He's widely considered an extremist. He is heartily loathed by Microsofties, software patent advocates and the like. Only nutters like me share his fundamentalist posture on software freedom. I find his style of advocacy abrasive. But someone has to stake-out that corner of the Overton Window; his very rigidity is his strength, in that respect.

paulcole 7y ago

> Software is created by "creeps" like us anyway, not by social activists Maybe it’s time to change things up a bit?

ta0987 7y ago
If the activists want to start writing software nobody is stopping them. If there are so many of these disenfranchised people just clamoring to write software why don't they just get together and do it? They don't need anyone elses permission to write code or publish it.