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>He's harassed and bothered dozens of women in and outside of MIT. I also saw those accusations, but I didn't see any proof of the harassment except one girl t
by aortega 7y ago
>He's harassed and bothered dozens of women in and outside of MIT.
I also saw those accusations, but I didn't see any proof of the harassment except one girl that said Stallman asked her on a date. And bothering? you really think you can go for 60 years on this earth without bothering any person?
- smsm42 7y agoYou forgot the most terrible accusation of all. He had a mattress in his office. Really, I've seen this fact listed among other examples of RMS misconduct.
- aortega 7y agoAh yes! the "Implications". For me, the implication of a mattress in his office are that he might sleep there. Any other implications are in the dirty mind of the accusers.
- nullc 7y agoRMS slept in his office for some time, in all these decades no one made anything out of it other than 'wow, how dedicated and odd that fellow is'. It wasn't some secret. And suddenly it gets pulled out of context by people who admit to having never met him as proof of something vague but nefarious. wtf.
- zby 7y agoI think the root of all of this is we use the same mental circuits when condemning sexual and hygienic misconduct. Someone called him creepy for publicly eating something from his foot - then in other circumstances the 'creepy' label was interpreted to be related to sex.
- pseudalopex 7y agoNo, people have called him creepy for asking out MIT undergraduates and defending adults having sex with children.
- lostjohnny 7y ago> people have called him creepy for asking out MIT undergraduates So every male at MIT is creepy then. > defending adults having sex with children. He was just arguing about the science available at the moment and even links the study on his website (everything is still there, he is not hiding anything)
- rayiner 7y ago> So every male at MIT is creepy then. Well, yes.
- lostjohnny 7y agoRemove them all then. Where's the outrage when we need it?
- aortega 7y ago>> So every male at MIT is creepy then. >Well, yes. This is exactly the problem here. You, and many like you, are basically demonizing all men in MIT. For you, all men are guilty of being men and thus they should be removed. Its incredible that society tolerates such discrimination. This is beyond fascism.
- lostjohnny 7y ago> You, and many like you, are basically demonizing all men in MIT I was just being sarcastic and you are just overreacting. If asking a girl out is sexual assault, then all men are sexual predators. It's true even for girls, they ask men out, it's 2019 and I'm 43, I've seen much worse in my life than "asking a girl out". BTW, they can still say no, it's ok to say no.
- dang 7y agoSurely you don't think it's ok to do this here?
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- skeptical900067 7y agoIs this to say, "RS sometimes slept at the office to get more done, but the mattress weirded some people out" or "RS had a mattress in his office, which is evidence he used it to put female colleagues through unsavory casting-couch situations"? I cannot tell.
- soulofmischief 7y agoMy personal favorite RMS faux pas is this: https://youtu.be/Rhj8sh1uiDY?t=98 https://youtu.be/Rhj8sh1uiDY?t=98 This is the kind of fearless leader we need in the software world.
- tomcooks 7y agoIsn't he known for wearing IT conventions t-shirts, his fear of water and sleeping in his own office? Plus the healthy snacks his feet provide
- Insanity 7y agoCan't tell if you're being serious. Having a mattress in your office is weird but does not imply misconduct at at all.
- jessaustin 7y agoNot only that, but anything that can happen on a mattress can happen on a couch. Lots of offices have couches.
- _ph_ 7y agoHe has harrassed (non-sexually, just aggressively) a close coworker of mine over several weeks. So I don't want to think how he might treat women.
- concordDance 7y agoWhat form did this harassament take?
- _ph_ 7y agoConstant harassment via private mails while maintaining a civil facade on the mailing list. Personal aggression and threats of lawsuits.
- lorenzhs 7y agoTwo years ago or so, I met and spoke to people whose offices were down the hall from his at MIT. Their stories line up perfectly with the accusations against him. Just because you weren't aware of his awfulness doesn't mean it didn't happen.
- watwut 7y agoOk, but which accusations do you have in mind here? That he harassed woman, that he was creepy or rather general opinions about sex with minors? Because I am a bit confused of what means what. I heard about advice given to some women to keep plants, so that he does not come. But that is not the same as story about Stallman harassing someone, it is story about people thinking he is creep, but no specific on anything he was supposed to do to women without plants (hope the difference is clear).
- hdfbdtbcdg 7y agoThis is pure libel. You are repeating defamatory rumours without a shred of evidence.
- concordDance 7y agoPlease be specific about the stories. What exactly were you told?