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You can use the steering wheel and scroll up or down and you changed the temperature. No fooling around with touchscreen in traffic. It’s way better than any an

by dewski 7y ago

You can use the steering wheel and scroll up or down and you changed the temperature. No fooling around with touchscreen in traffic. It’s way better than any analog system I’ve used across Jeep’s and Audi’s. You can control temperature, fan speed, brightness, and more all from the steering wheel.

xedeon 7y ago
Yes: https://youtu.be/kLIBYlgsHis?t=560 https://youtu.be/kLIBYlgsHis?t=560 That video tutorial is now outdated since there has been many UI improvements, but the steps should still be the same.
- benj111 7y ago
  Are you not highlighting another problem. Buttons are always in the same place, I know where they are, I don't have to go hunting for the thing that used to be there, but is now in a sub sub menu, meanwhile you aren't looking where you're going.
  - thrower123 7y ago
    Give me physical buttons and knobs any day. I'm afraid with the direction that things are going, that may become more and more difficult, and go the way of crank windows and manual transmissions, however. Oh well. The way that sticker prices keep going up on new pickup trucks, frankensteining old ones together and rebuilding the engines and transmissions is looking like more and more of a viable and cost-effective option.
    - xedeon 7y ago
      Get yourself a horse and buggy. Time tested approach. Just watch out for the manure.
    - pferde 7y ago
      Fortunately, one by one, car manufacturers are starting to get over the entire touchscreen fad, for example Mazda: https://thenewswheel.com/mazda-eliminates-touch-screens/ https://thenewswheel.com/mazda-eliminates-touch-screens/
  - xedeon 7y ago
    Geez people. It's NOT a submenu.. You just move the scroll-wheel up and down or push it to turn it on/off. It's that simple. It's also the default behavior. Here: https://youtu.be/_eyxkzaNZX0 https://youtu.be/_eyxkzaNZX0 Do you get it now? Taking your hands off the steering wheel involves more steps compared to this.
    - Chilinot 7y ago
      The video you linked contains menus and submenus.
      - xedeon 7y ago
        Yes for other controls. But the DEFAULT scroll functions controls the A/C you can see that its the top item when pressing the menu NOT scrollwheel I made that video because this keeps coming up, I know how it works...
    - benj111 7y ago
      Maybe for that one example. In general a changing UI is not a good thing whilst trying to concentrate on other things. It isn't about hands on wheel, its about mental load, a hardware button is muscle memory, I don't have to look at it, I don't have think about it.
      - xedeon 7y ago
        Ahhh backpedaling now are we? The topic was about A/C control... Hence that's the specific video proof I provided. > It isn't about hands on wheel, its about mental load, a hardware button is muscle memory, I don't have to look at it, I don't have think about it. reply I don't have to look to use the scroll wheel controls too. Did you not see on the video that they are physical buttons? What's your point exactly?
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- crististm 7y ago
  I'm more than slightly annoyed that it starts with "choose menu"!!! The demo person is constantly looking at his screen instead of in front of him.
  - dewski 7y ago
    For example, here is Audi's A/C controls in all of their new vehicles: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1iETfhnSPY1JjSZPcq6xIwpXaw/ZWET-Car-For-Audi-A4-B9-Air-Conditioning-Control-Unit-Ac-Automatic-panel-A-c-For.jpg https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1iETfhnSPY1JjSZPcq6xIwpXaw/ZWE... You not only have to take a hand off the steering wheel, but also look to see which lever you want/need to press. If I'm changing the temperature I know where the dial is, but I also have to look to see what I'm setting it to. I'm surprised people here think analog controls are a bulletproof solution to the same problems you're criticizing Tesla for. I have a hunch that if there were YouTube videos watching people change climate control settings in their car they'd not only be required to take hand off the wheel but also look down and away for a small period of time. Tesla's isn't perfect but you get to keep both hands on the steering wheel and head looking straight, but down ever so slightly.
    - crististm 7y ago
      We're criticizing bad UI design and the attitude that digital touch interface is automatically without fault and order of magnitudes superior to whatever was established in the last hundred years. You can make bad UI with or without buttons. Remember VCR clock controls?
      - dewski 7y ago
        I don't know if anyone has said digital touch is superior, I don't think it is. It's just a different way of solving the same problem. Can it be updated in the future unlike analog? Yep. Can you feel it with your hands like you can with analog? Nope. I feel like I see more people saying first that digital is terrible and it should be analog, that they'll never get a car that has digital. The reasons they list are still true for analog though.

by dewski 7y ago

xedeon 7y ago

Yes: https://youtu.be/kLIBYlgsHis?t=560 https://youtu.be/kLIBYlgsHis?t=560 That video tutorial is now outdated since there has been many UI improvements, but the steps should still be the same.

benj111 7y ago
Are you not highlighting another problem. Buttons are always in the same place, I know where they are, I don't have to go hunting for the thing that used to be there, but is now in a sub sub menu, meanwhile you aren't looking where you're going.
- thrower123 7y ago
  Give me physical buttons and knobs any day. I'm afraid with the direction that things are going, that may become more and more difficult, and go the way of crank windows and manual transmissions, however. Oh well. The way that sticker prices keep going up on new pickup trucks, frankensteining old ones together and rebuilding the engines and transmissions is looking like more and more of a viable and cost-effective option.
  - xedeon 7y ago
    Get yourself a horse and buggy. Time tested approach. Just watch out for the manure.
  - pferde 7y ago
    Fortunately, one by one, car manufacturers are starting to get over the entire touchscreen fad, for example Mazda: https://thenewswheel.com/mazda-eliminates-touch-screens/ https://thenewswheel.com/mazda-eliminates-touch-screens/
- xedeon 7y ago
  Geez people. It's NOT a submenu.. You just move the scroll-wheel up and down or push it to turn it on/off. It's that simple. It's also the default behavior. Here: https://youtu.be/_eyxkzaNZX0 https://youtu.be/_eyxkzaNZX0 Do you get it now? Taking your hands off the steering wheel involves more steps compared to this.
  - Chilinot 7y ago
    The video you linked contains menus and submenus.
    - xedeon 7y ago
      Yes for other controls. But the DEFAULT scroll functions controls the A/C you can see that its the top item when pressing the menu NOT scrollwheel I made that video because this keeps coming up, I know how it works...
  - benj111 7y ago
    Maybe for that one example. In general a changing UI is not a good thing whilst trying to concentrate on other things. It isn't about hands on wheel, its about mental load, a hardware button is muscle memory, I don't have to look at it, I don't have think about it.
    - xedeon 7y ago
      Ahhh backpedaling now are we? The topic was about A/C control... Hence that's the specific video proof I provided. > It isn't about hands on wheel, its about mental load, a hardware button is muscle memory, I don't have to look at it, I don't have think about it. reply I don't have to look to use the scroll wheel controls too. Did you not see on the video that they are physical buttons? What's your point exactly?
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crististm 7y ago
I'm more than slightly annoyed that it starts with "choose menu"!!! The demo person is constantly looking at his screen instead of in front of him.
- dewski 7y ago
  For example, here is Audi's A/C controls in all of their new vehicles: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1iETfhnSPY1JjSZPcq6xIwpXaw/ZWET-Car-For-Audi-A4-B9-Air-Conditioning-Control-Unit-Ac-Automatic-panel-A-c-For.jpg https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1iETfhnSPY1JjSZPcq6xIwpXaw/ZWE... You not only have to take a hand off the steering wheel, but also look to see which lever you want/need to press. If I'm changing the temperature I know where the dial is, but I also have to look to see what I'm setting it to. I'm surprised people here think analog controls are a bulletproof solution to the same problems you're criticizing Tesla for. I have a hunch that if there were YouTube videos watching people change climate control settings in their car they'd not only be required to take hand off the wheel but also look down and away for a small period of time. Tesla's isn't perfect but you get to keep both hands on the steering wheel and head looking straight, but down ever so slightly.
  - crististm 7y ago
    We're criticizing bad UI design and the attitude that digital touch interface is automatically without fault and order of magnitudes superior to whatever was established in the last hundred years. You can make bad UI with or without buttons. Remember VCR clock controls?
    - dewski 7y ago
      I don't know if anyone has said digital touch is superior, I don't think it is. It's just a different way of solving the same problem. Can it be updated in the future unlike analog? Yep. Can you feel it with your hands like you can with analog? Nope. I feel like I see more people saying first that digital is terrible and it should be analog, that they'll never get a car that has digital. The reasons they list are still true for analog though.