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I believe that the parent meant that Apple charges enough (in the US), so it should have the extended guarantee included there. In NZ, things cost extra due to

by slig 7y ago

I believe that the parent meant that Apple charges enough (in the US), so it should have the extended guarantee included there. In NZ, things cost extra due to that law, correct? The difference: is everybody is paying for that extra protection, there's no choice.

xupybd 7y ago
We do have very high retail mark ups. Perhaps this is due to that law. But it is very nice protection to live under.
- AmericanChopper 7y ago
  Aside from the additional taxation and regulations in NZ, it does have some pretty unavoidable issues which drive up the prices of consumer goods. It’s a very small market, and very far away. Getting things there is just going to cost more anyway, and the market isn’t big enough to invite significant competition, so there’s usually a large (or at least larger than a lot of other places) markup on imported goods.
  - blackoil 7y ago
    Is it really far from China compared to US/Europe?
    - AmericanChopper 7y ago
      It’s not just far, it’s far away from everything, including all the major trade routes. In Europe and Asia, a lot more goods are produced close by, and if you ship a product to any country in Europe or Asia, there’s a lot more people to buy it, and a lot more markets close by.
      - sammorrowdrums 7y ago
        And there are lots of regulations too. For example I sold an oil burner light on eBay to someone in NZ (didn't actually know as there was a UK address that forwarded the package) and I included some oils for free... Big mistake. Package was returned and I had to remove them. My only point being it's a poor port in part because of its delicate ecosystem, which necessitates very strict regulations.
    - bayindirh 7y ago
      My friend living in NZ has a fantastic quote about the distance: > NZ is a fantastic place. It takes 24 hours to get anywhere around the world. Yep, it's that far.
      - thelittleone 7y ago
        It’s far but 24hrs is a bit stretching reality e.g. ~12hrs to Santiago Chile. ~9hrs to Bali, Indonesia. ~13hrs to Los Angeles, USA. ~4hrs to Sydney, Australia.
        throwaway1777 7y ago
        Add a layover and you could easily be at 20+ hours (which is common since NZ is small so there aren’t that many flights). Europe is well over 24 hours even to the major hubs.
        thelittleone 7y ago
        Granted, however the flights I listed are all non-stop.
        AmericanChopper 7y ago
        There’s a non-stop Auckland > Denpasar flight?
      - throw0101a 7y ago
        > Yep, it's that far. It'll be handy when the zombie apocalypse occurs though: it'll be quite the swim for any ghouls.
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mola 7y ago
If you have this protection, it's like insurance. You, and everybody else, pay an insignificant amount of money and you get a much more expansive treatment incase of failure. Sure you have a choice, back the politicians that are against this. I don't get why freedom loving people rather have a corporate take away their freedoms than a democratic self governed body. Both are power clusters, but in one you have a moral ground to criticise when it's acting against the populous interests (democratic government). While abuses of power from corporate cannot be argued against morally, you don't own them, they are playing by the rules, they manage to make a buck, all is above board morally while in actuality masses of people might be hurt by corporate abuses of power. Freedom is extremely important but it is sometime conflicted with other values, a reasonable discussion of the conflict and tradeoffs is a much better way to improve life for people, than fanatically protecting the one single value you hold most dear.
pier25 7y ago
I don't live in the US. I live in Mexico where Apple products are on average about 20% more expensive when converting currencies. If you compare the value of the peso in Mexico vs the dollar in the US, Apple prices are in comparison much more expensive than in the US.

by slig 7y ago

xupybd 7y ago

We do have very high retail mark ups. Perhaps this is due to that law. But it is very nice protection to live under.

AmericanChopper 7y ago
Aside from the additional taxation and regulations in NZ, it does have some pretty unavoidable issues which drive up the prices of consumer goods. It’s a very small market, and very far away. Getting things there is just going to cost more anyway, and the market isn’t big enough to invite significant competition, so there’s usually a large (or at least larger than a lot of other places) markup on imported goods.
- blackoil 7y ago
  Is it really far from China compared to US/Europe?
  - AmericanChopper 7y ago
    It’s not just far, it’s far away from everything, including all the major trade routes. In Europe and Asia, a lot more goods are produced close by, and if you ship a product to any country in Europe or Asia, there’s a lot more people to buy it, and a lot more markets close by.
    - sammorrowdrums 7y ago
      And there are lots of regulations too. For example I sold an oil burner light on eBay to someone in NZ (didn't actually know as there was a UK address that forwarded the package) and I included some oils for free... Big mistake. Package was returned and I had to remove them. My only point being it's a poor port in part because of its delicate ecosystem, which necessitates very strict regulations.
  - bayindirh 7y ago
    My friend living in NZ has a fantastic quote about the distance: > NZ is a fantastic place. It takes 24 hours to get anywhere around the world. Yep, it's that far.
    - thelittleone 7y ago
      It’s far but 24hrs is a bit stretching reality e.g. ~12hrs to Santiago Chile. ~9hrs to Bali, Indonesia. ~13hrs to Los Angeles, USA. ~4hrs to Sydney, Australia.
      - throwaway1777 7y ago
        Add a layover and you could easily be at 20+ hours (which is common since NZ is small so there aren’t that many flights). Europe is well over 24 hours even to the major hubs.
        thelittleone 7y ago
        Granted, however the flights I listed are all non-stop.
        AmericanChopper 7y ago
        There’s a non-stop Auckland > Denpasar flight?
    - throw0101a 7y ago
      > Yep, it's that far. It'll be handy when the zombie apocalypse occurs though: it'll be quite the swim for any ghouls.
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mola 7y ago

If you have this protection, it's like insurance. You, and everybody else, pay an insignificant amount of money and you get a much more expansive treatment incase of failure. Sure you have a choice, back the politicians that are against this. I don't get why freedom loving people rather have a corporate take away their freedoms than a democratic self governed body. Both are power clusters, but in one you have a moral ground to criticise when it's acting against the populous interests (democratic government). While abuses of power from corporate cannot be argued against morally, you don't own them, they are playing by the rules, they manage to make a buck, all is above board morally while in actuality masses of people might be hurt by corporate abuses of power. Freedom is extremely important but it is sometime conflicted with other values, a reasonable discussion of the conflict and tradeoffs is a much better way to improve life for people, than fanatically protecting the one single value you hold most dear.

pier25 7y ago

I don't live in the US. I live in Mexico where Apple products are on average about 20% more expensive when converting currencies. If you compare the value of the peso in Mexico vs the dollar in the US, Apple prices are in comparison much more expensive than in the US.