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> people upload their DNA to for the sole purpose of being findable by their DNA They are not making just themselves findable by DNA. They are making their ext

> people upload their DNA to for the sole purpose of being findable by their DNA They are not making just themselves findable by DNA. They are making their extended family findable by DNA, and I don't imagine they have gotten the whole family's consent before doing so.

cortesoft 7y ago
Why would you need your family's consent to submit your DNA? The law doesn't work like that, just because they info can be used against someone else. I can post on Facebook that I was with you at a certain time and a certain place; I don't need your permission even though law enforcement might use that to find you. Or if I post a picture of us at a baseball game, I don't need your permission just because it could be used to find out you were somewhere.
- cameronbrown 7y ago
  Analogies break down here - this isn't even remotely comparable to posting on Facebook.
- Tepix 7y ago
  Because it affects them
  - cortesoft 7y ago
    A lot of things effect other people, doesn't mean you need their permission. If I thought a relative of mine was a criminal, and went to the police, and said "I think my cousin committed a crime, check my blood" Would that be ok?
    - vkou 7y ago
      Depends on the culture. Some suffer from strong taboos against snitching on family members. Some suffer from an overabundance of civic duty.
- m_eiman 7y ago
  With GDPR, you actually do need permission to post personal information about someone online.
- Faark 7y ago
  Yes, and I can choose to not involve you in the political demonstration I'll take part in. Worst case I can cut of contact with you entirely, if I don't trust you. But removing shared DNA is not possible. I'd have no recourse against you giving an uprising authoritarian government the means to identify me.
- Vrondi 7y ago
  Because it is also your family's DNA. It is an action that affects not only yourself. You are infringing on the rights of all your relatives to NOT be included in a public database when you do this. Honestly, you _should_ need my permission to post a photo of me on Facebook. You are selling my face to an exploitative company in exchange for access to their platform. You are giving Facebook worldwide non-exclusive license to do anything they want with my face, from using it in advertisements to using it to train facial recognition algorithms, all without my consent. It is pretty terrible how ignorant most people are of the potential harm they do to others this way.

cortesoft 7y ago

Why would you need your family's consent to submit your DNA? The law doesn't work like that, just because they info can be used against someone else. I can post on Facebook that I was with you at a certain time and a certain place; I don't need your permission even though law enforcement might use that to find you. Or if I post a picture of us at a baseball game, I don't need your permission just because it could be used to find out you were somewhere.

cameronbrown 7y ago
Analogies break down here - this isn't even remotely comparable to posting on Facebook.
Tepix 7y ago
Because it affects them
- cortesoft 7y ago
  A lot of things effect other people, doesn't mean you need their permission. If I thought a relative of mine was a criminal, and went to the police, and said "I think my cousin committed a crime, check my blood" Would that be ok?
  - vkou 7y ago
    Depends on the culture. Some suffer from strong taboos against snitching on family members. Some suffer from an overabundance of civic duty.
m_eiman 7y ago
With GDPR, you actually do need permission to post personal information about someone online.
Faark 7y ago
Yes, and I can choose to not involve you in the political demonstration I'll take part in. Worst case I can cut of contact with you entirely, if I don't trust you. But removing shared DNA is not possible. I'd have no recourse against you giving an uprising authoritarian government the means to identify me.
Vrondi 7y ago
Because it is also your family's DNA. It is an action that affects not only yourself. You are infringing on the rights of all your relatives to NOT be included in a public database when you do this. Honestly, you _should_ need my permission to post a photo of me on Facebook. You are selling my face to an exploitative company in exchange for access to their platform. You are giving Facebook worldwide non-exclusive license to do anything they want with my face, from using it in advertisements to using it to train facial recognition algorithms, all without my consent. It is pretty terrible how ignorant most people are of the potential harm they do to others this way.