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> Why should it be 28 days? You must be an employer ;) A few reasons I like at least 28 days: You get to truly disconnect/recharge, prevents burnout, I get to

> Why should it be 28 days? You must be an employer ;) A few reasons I like at least 28 days: You get to truly disconnect/recharge, prevents burnout, I get to spend more time with friends and family, my stress/anxiety and general mental health are improved, I get to _actually_ travel. I could go on. 11 days over the entire year gives me time for what? Not much. > On average it is only 11 days In the US. That's also one of the worst averages in the the industrialized world and the US is one of the only nations to not set a minimum for PTO[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_b...

scarface74 7y ago
A few reasons I like at least 28 days: You get to truly disconnect/recharge, prevents burnout, I get to spend more time with friends and family, my stress/anxiety and general mental health are improved, I get to _actually_ travel. I could go If I am 45 years old working at a job that is stressful or giving me anxiety or burning me out, I’m doing it wrong. That hold thing I said about “optionality”? If any job is giving me continuous stress, it’s time to job hunt. Why would a software engineer in 2019 stress when there are so many jobs out there? Most adults (friends and family) also have jobs. the US. That's also one of the worst averages in the the industrialized world and the US is one of the only nations to not set a minimum for PTO[0] Seeing that I am not going to be leaving the US anytime soon...
- whycombagator 7y ago
  I am based in the US... I know of dozens of companies where one could take 28 days PTO, get paid handsomely, and not have to solve CS trivia during the interview. Good PTO isn’t the norm, but I feel it should be. If you’re happy spending more of your life working, good for you.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    Well, if you’re spending time at a job that is leading to “anxiety”, “stress”, and “burn out”, you’re optimizing for PTO when you should be optimizing for finding a job that doesn’t stress you out while you’re working. I made a promise to myself that I would never stay at a job more than a month that was stressful. I’ve kept that promise for the latter 10 years of my life.
    - whycombagator 7y ago
      > if you’re spending time at a job that is leading to “anxiety”, “stress”, and “burn out”, you’re optimizing for PTO when you should be optimizing for finding a job that doesn’t stress you out while you’re working. I never suggested my job was any of those things or that I practice “optimizing for PTO”. Far from it.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        From the original post... You get to truly disconnect/recharge, prevents burnout, I get to spend more time with friends and family, my stress/anxiety At this point in my career, I wouldn’t let a job lead to any of the negatives nor would it stop me from spending time with friends or family.
        whycombagator 7y ago
        Your inference is incorrect. Where in that quote, or my posts, do I say I "optimize for PTO", or that my job is stressful or causes anxiety? I don't. I was specifically talking about/referring to low PTO and what it does to me - and why I think 28 days as a floor is beneficial. A final few thought experiements for you (I don't expect you to reply answering these...): - If your employer offered you 15 days extra PTO, would you take it? - How would you use it? Where would you go? What would you do? - How would those extra 15 days impact you?
        scarface74 7y ago
        If 8 more days is the difference between having “anxiety” or “burnout”, that means you are already close to the edge. If I had 15 more days what would I do with it? Stay at home and try to burn through it? My lack of PTO isn’t what’s preventing me from taking more vacations. Visiting friends and family? They work and have families too. Hobbies? With who? All of the people who have jobs so that we could only get together after work or on the weekends? In other words, the impact wouldn’t be that much.

scarface74 7y ago

A few reasons I like at least 28 days: You get to truly disconnect/recharge, prevents burnout, I get to spend more time with friends and family, my stress/anxiety and general mental health are improved, I get to _actually_ travel. I could go If I am 45 years old working at a job that is stressful or giving me anxiety or burning me out, I’m doing it wrong. That hold thing I said about “optionality”? If any job is giving me continuous stress, it’s time to job hunt. Why would a software engineer in 2019 stress when there are so many jobs out there? Most adults (friends and family) also have jobs. the US. That's also one of the worst averages in the the industrialized world and the US is one of the only nations to not set a minimum for PTO[0] Seeing that I am not going to be leaving the US anytime soon...

whycombagator 7y ago
I am based in the US... I know of dozens of companies where one could take 28 days PTO, get paid handsomely, and not have to solve CS trivia during the interview. Good PTO isn’t the norm, but I feel it should be. If you’re happy spending more of your life working, good for you.
- scarface74 7y ago
  Well, if you’re spending time at a job that is leading to “anxiety”, “stress”, and “burn out”, you’re optimizing for PTO when you should be optimizing for finding a job that doesn’t stress you out while you’re working. I made a promise to myself that I would never stay at a job more than a month that was stressful. I’ve kept that promise for the latter 10 years of my life.
  - whycombagator 7y ago
    > if you’re spending time at a job that is leading to “anxiety”, “stress”, and “burn out”, you’re optimizing for PTO when you should be optimizing for finding a job that doesn’t stress you out while you’re working. I never suggested my job was any of those things or that I practice “optimizing for PTO”. Far from it.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      From the original post... You get to truly disconnect/recharge, prevents burnout, I get to spend more time with friends and family, my stress/anxiety At this point in my career, I wouldn’t let a job lead to any of the negatives nor would it stop me from spending time with friends or family.
      - whycombagator 7y ago
        Your inference is incorrect. Where in that quote, or my posts, do I say I "optimize for PTO", or that my job is stressful or causes anxiety? I don't. I was specifically talking about/referring to low PTO and what it does to me - and why I think 28 days as a floor is beneficial. A final few thought experiements for you (I don't expect you to reply answering these...): - If your employer offered you 15 days extra PTO, would you take it? - How would you use it? Where would you go? What would you do? - How would those extra 15 days impact you?
        scarface74 7y ago
        If 8 more days is the difference between having “anxiety” or “burnout”, that means you are already close to the edge. If I had 15 more days what would I do with it? Stay at home and try to burn through it? My lack of PTO isn’t what’s preventing me from taking more vacations. Visiting friends and family? They work and have families too. Hobbies? With who? All of the people who have jobs so that we could only get together after work or on the weekends? In other words, the impact wouldn’t be that much.