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> Really trying to understand but what is so different with a Tesla? Is it the Hype factor? The feeling to be in a religious group? If you are really trying to

by xedeon 7y ago

> Really trying to understand but what is so different with a Tesla? Is it the Hype factor? The feeling to be in a religious group? If you are really trying to understand, why don't you test drive one? Only then will you truly know. Having owned a Model S (traded it in for a Model 3) and X. There is no way I will buy any other car. Maybe if MB, BMW or Audi leapfrogs Tesla in both charging infrastructure and software features. But frankly with the velocity of how quickly Tesla releases new features for FREE, I'm not holding my breath.

rainyMammoth 7y ago
I DID and I still don't understand. It's especially obnoxious from Tesla owner to think that if we try it we will automatically think alike.
- xedeon 7y ago
  Then you don't like it? Cool! It's not the end of the world I promise. You can still buy whatever car you want. Why don't you let people buy what they please with their hard earned money?
  - RealWorldPolice 7y ago
    That's nothing like what they said. They are not telling people what to buy. They are trying to understand the willingness of many Tesla owners to brush off being misled and ignored by the manufacturer of their car, and to do things like you just did. I own a P100D and the magic wore off for me. Apparently it hasn't for you. Peace.
    - xedeon 7y ago
      > Tesla owners to brush off being misled and ignored by the manufacturer of their car Huh? how so, can you provide examples? > I own a P100D and the magic wore off for me. Apparently it hasn't for you. It certainly hasn't, to the point that we got rid all of our gas vehicles for a 3/X (Owned an S since 2015). Also, four of our neighbors also randomly rang our doorbell in the last 6 months asking about the cars. An underrated feature of these cars is safety, I can't put a price on that. I showed them the features, gave them test drives and told them my honest opinion and experience. A few weeks later, they all ended up buying one.
clouddrover 7y ago
> Maybe if MB, BMW or Audi leapfrogs Tesla in both charging infrastructure I think this is the wrong perspective. Daimler, BMW, Volkswagen, and others are investing in common charging infrastructure through joint ventures such as Ionity (https://ionity.eu/en/about.html https://ionity.eu/en/about.html). Ionity is available to all EVs that can charge via CCS (which includes Teslas). ICE cars can be fueled at any fuel station regardless of their make and model. EVs should also be able to charge at any charging station regardless of the brand. Tesla says its mission is to "accelerate the advent of sustainable transport". If that's true then when will Tesla convert their fast chargers to CCS and allow all EVs to charge at them?
- xedeon 7y ago
  If you're not aware, Tesla since the beginning has offered other legacy auto manufacturers unfettered access to the supercharger network if they agree to shoulder the cost. Not a SINGLE one took them up on the offer! https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-elon-musk-open-supercharger-network/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-elon-musk-open-supe...
  - clouddrover 7y ago
    No one else will adopt Tesla's standard. You're avoiding the question rather than answering it. CCS charging providers allow Teslas to charge on their networks today. When will Tesla reciprocate and convert to CCS?
    - xedeon 7y ago
      Take a step back and listen to yourself. > No one else will adopt Tesla's standard. Why won't they? They don't have to pay any licensing fees and would save $$ on R&D. > CCS charging providers allow Teslas to charge on their networks today. Because Tesla have chosen to adapt it or at least provide Tesla owners an adaptor for CCS/ChadeMo. Why can't others do the same for the SuperCharger network? Give me a good reason why. > When will Tesla reciprocate and convert to CCS? Let me just phone a Tesla VP and ask. /s Are you seriously asking this?

by xedeon 7y ago

rainyMammoth 7y ago

I DID and I still don't understand. It's especially obnoxious from Tesla owner to think that if we try it we will automatically think alike.

xedeon 7y ago
Then you don't like it? Cool! It's not the end of the world I promise. You can still buy whatever car you want. Why don't you let people buy what they please with their hard earned money?
- RealWorldPolice 7y ago
  That's nothing like what they said. They are not telling people what to buy. They are trying to understand the willingness of many Tesla owners to brush off being misled and ignored by the manufacturer of their car, and to do things like you just did. I own a P100D and the magic wore off for me. Apparently it hasn't for you. Peace.
  - xedeon 7y ago
    > Tesla owners to brush off being misled and ignored by the manufacturer of their car Huh? how so, can you provide examples? > I own a P100D and the magic wore off for me. Apparently it hasn't for you. It certainly hasn't, to the point that we got rid all of our gas vehicles for a 3/X (Owned an S since 2015). Also, four of our neighbors also randomly rang our doorbell in the last 6 months asking about the cars. An underrated feature of these cars is safety, I can't put a price on that. I showed them the features, gave them test drives and told them my honest opinion and experience. A few weeks later, they all ended up buying one.

clouddrover 7y ago

> Maybe if MB, BMW or Audi leapfrogs Tesla in both charging infrastructure I think this is the wrong perspective. Daimler, BMW, Volkswagen, and others are investing in common charging infrastructure through joint ventures such as Ionity (https://ionity.eu/en/about.html https://ionity.eu/en/about.html). Ionity is available to all EVs that can charge via CCS (which includes Teslas). ICE cars can be fueled at any fuel station regardless of their make and model. EVs should also be able to charge at any charging station regardless of the brand. Tesla says its mission is to "accelerate the advent of sustainable transport". If that's true then when will Tesla convert their fast chargers to CCS and allow all EVs to charge at them?

xedeon 7y ago
If you're not aware, Tesla since the beginning has offered other legacy auto manufacturers unfettered access to the supercharger network if they agree to shoulder the cost. Not a SINGLE one took them up on the offer! https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-elon-musk-open-supercharger-network/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-elon-musk-open-supe...
- clouddrover 7y ago
  No one else will adopt Tesla's standard. You're avoiding the question rather than answering it. CCS charging providers allow Teslas to charge on their networks today. When will Tesla reciprocate and convert to CCS?
  - xedeon 7y ago
    Take a step back and listen to yourself. > No one else will adopt Tesla's standard. Why won't they? They don't have to pay any licensing fees and would save $$ on R&D. > CCS charging providers allow Teslas to charge on their networks today. Because Tesla have chosen to adapt it or at least provide Tesla owners an adaptor for CCS/ChadeMo. Why can't others do the same for the SuperCharger network? Give me a good reason why. > When will Tesla reciprocate and convert to CCS? Let me just phone a Tesla VP and ask. /s Are you seriously asking this?