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It occurs to me that I would equate Mac to Tesla and Linux to a car in which you get full access to the engine and are able to change any piece you want. Tesla

It occurs to me that I would equate Mac to Tesla and Linux to a car in which you get full access to the engine and are able to change any piece you want. Tesla is the opposite of Linux philosophy.

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TaylorAlexander 7y ago
Well I agree if you mean “hackable open system”, but I meant it as “product which I agree with ideologically even if the specific user experience is sometimes inferior”.
greglindahl 7y ago
After I got a Tesla I had a lot of fun writing javascript software for the big touchscreen. It was especially cool for hackathons. YMMV.
boznz 7y ago
ALL cars sold today are the opposite of the linux philosophy
- Phillipharryt 7y ago
  How?? You can service your own car unless you're looking at something ridiculous like a Bugatti or Mclaren. You can modify them to any legal extent.
kybernetikos 7y ago
> Tesla is the opposite of Linux philosophy. It literally records and reports back to HQ. If you ever make any statement that Tesla doesn't like, they will use what should be your own data against you. Surveillance capitalism. Ownership as a service. They also restrict the repairability via software. It's as far from gnu as its possible to be.
- xedeon 7y ago
  > It literally records and reports back to HQ. If you ever make any statement that Tesla doesn't like, they will use what should be your own data against you. Wow. Take out the tinfoil hat Sir. I'll PayPal you $1000USD if you can cite this ridiculous claim. > They also restrict the repairability via software. You CAN perform repairs on them, you can even access the parts catalog (https://epc.teslamotors.com https://epc.teslamotors.com) for free when most manufacturers charge for this or even restrict it to dealers only. Need a part? Just call up a service center! Many people have also refurbished Tesla battery packs and even rebuilt salvaged cars: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/my-first-model-3-rebuild.139049/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/my-first-model-3-reb...
  - kybernetikos 7y ago
    >> It literally records and reports back to HQ. If you ever make any statement that Tesla doesn't like, they will use what should be your own data against you. > Wow. Take out the tinfoil hat Sir. I'll PayPal you $1000USD if you can cite this ridiculous claim. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/03/the-customer-is-always-wrong-tesla-lets-out-self-driving-car-data-when-it-suits https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/03/the-custo... https://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/that-tesla-data-what-it-says-and-what-it-doesnt/ https://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/that-tesla-data-... about this ridiculously detailed releasing of data https://www.tesla.com/blog/most-peculiar-test-drive https://www.tesla.com/blog/most-peculiar-test-drive https://electrek.co/2016/05/11/tesla-model-s-crashed-own-summon/ https://electrek.co/2016/05/11/tesla-model-s-crashed-own-sum... or Teslas own privacy policy, which says that they may remotely collect telematics data including speed, odmeter, battery charging, use of charging stations (linked to location), infotainment system data, camera images, short video clips, lock/unlock data, horn honking, etc. They also collect detailed position data in many cases, but say that they store it in a non identifiable way. While the policy doesn't specifically mention recording torque applied to the steering wheel, presumably they must include that somewhere, as they have announced to the press that the user didn't have their hands on the steering wheel. The policy also says that they "also may use information we collect for other purposes, including: For our business purposes", a vague and expansive definition. We've seen in the examples above what they consider this to include - disputing customers accounts of what happened if it makes Tesla look bad. https://www.tesla.com/about/legal https://www.tesla.com/about/legal I presume your offer of payment was hyperbole, but in my view, even if you disagree with the links I posted, I have certainly cited the claim. Email me@kybernetikos.com if you actually intend to back up your words.
Erlich_Bachman 7y ago
Pretty sure there are regulations and just common sense preventing allowing people to hack and tinker with their car software, as that would be very dangerous both for the owners and for the public when such cars would be driving on public roads.
- whenchamenia 7y ago
  Nope, only epa registered emissions affecting stuff is verboten. But even that seems unenforced, as you can find ecu tuners and piggybacks everywhere. I have personally tuned my older cars to have better emissions, so its not only for racers and the environmentally unconcerned. Tldr; I drive a fleet of hacked cars on the road daily. Its fine.
nicoster 7y ago
the big difference is that this 'Linux' is powered by gas.

It occurs to me that I would equate Mac to Tesla and Linux to a car in which you get full access to the engine and are able to change any piece you want. Tesla is the opposite of Linux philosophy.

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TaylorAlexander 7y ago

Well I agree if you mean “hackable open system”, but I meant it as “product which I agree with ideologically even if the specific user experience is sometimes inferior”.

greglindahl 7y ago

After I got a Tesla I had a lot of fun writing javascript software for the big touchscreen. It was especially cool for hackathons. YMMV.

boznz 7y ago

ALL cars sold today are the opposite of the linux philosophy

Phillipharryt 7y ago
How?? You can service your own car unless you're looking at something ridiculous like a Bugatti or Mclaren. You can modify them to any legal extent.

kybernetikos 7y ago

> Tesla is the opposite of Linux philosophy. It literally records and reports back to HQ. If you ever make any statement that Tesla doesn't like, they will use what should be your own data against you. Surveillance capitalism. Ownership as a service. They also restrict the repairability via software. It's as far from gnu as its possible to be.

xedeon 7y ago
> It literally records and reports back to HQ. If you ever make any statement that Tesla doesn't like, they will use what should be your own data against you. Wow. Take out the tinfoil hat Sir. I'll PayPal you $1000USD if you can cite this ridiculous claim. > They also restrict the repairability via software. You CAN perform repairs on them, you can even access the parts catalog (https://epc.teslamotors.com https://epc.teslamotors.com) for free when most manufacturers charge for this or even restrict it to dealers only. Need a part? Just call up a service center! Many people have also refurbished Tesla battery packs and even rebuilt salvaged cars: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/my-first-model-3-rebuild.139049/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/my-first-model-3-reb...
- kybernetikos 7y ago
  >> It literally records and reports back to HQ. If you ever make any statement that Tesla doesn't like, they will use what should be your own data against you. > Wow. Take out the tinfoil hat Sir. I'll PayPal you $1000USD if you can cite this ridiculous claim. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/03/the-customer-is-always-wrong-tesla-lets-out-self-driving-car-data-when-it-suits https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/03/the-custo... https://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/that-tesla-data-what-it-says-and-what-it-doesnt/ https://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/that-tesla-data-... about this ridiculously detailed releasing of data https://www.tesla.com/blog/most-peculiar-test-drive https://www.tesla.com/blog/most-peculiar-test-drive https://electrek.co/2016/05/11/tesla-model-s-crashed-own-summon/ https://electrek.co/2016/05/11/tesla-model-s-crashed-own-sum... or Teslas own privacy policy, which says that they may remotely collect telematics data including speed, odmeter, battery charging, use of charging stations (linked to location), infotainment system data, camera images, short video clips, lock/unlock data, horn honking, etc. They also collect detailed position data in many cases, but say that they store it in a non identifiable way. While the policy doesn't specifically mention recording torque applied to the steering wheel, presumably they must include that somewhere, as they have announced to the press that the user didn't have their hands on the steering wheel. The policy also says that they "also may use information we collect for other purposes, including: For our business purposes", a vague and expansive definition. We've seen in the examples above what they consider this to include - disputing customers accounts of what happened if it makes Tesla look bad. https://www.tesla.com/about/legal https://www.tesla.com/about/legal I presume your offer of payment was hyperbole, but in my view, even if you disagree with the links I posted, I have certainly cited the claim. Email me@kybernetikos.com if you actually intend to back up your words.

Erlich_Bachman 7y ago

Pretty sure there are regulations and just common sense preventing allowing people to hack and tinker with their car software, as that would be very dangerous both for the owners and for the public when such cars would be driving on public roads.

whenchamenia 7y ago
Nope, only epa registered emissions affecting stuff is verboten. But even that seems unenforced, as you can find ecu tuners and piggybacks everywhere. I have personally tuned my older cars to have better emissions, so its not only for racers and the environmentally unconcerned. Tldr; I drive a fleet of hacked cars on the road daily. Its fine.

nicoster 7y ago