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I don't think they're expecting you to plug in a "proper" keyboard and mouse since it comes with a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Plus it appears you get another

I don't think they're expecting you to plug in a "proper" keyboard and mouse since it comes with a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Plus it appears you get another 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports on the front as well.

benburleson 7y ago
Which is insane.. do people really use the wireless capability of their keyboard or mouse? Especially when you can't use your freaking mouse when it's charging? Serious insanity. Edit to add: of course I know people use those keyboards... I meant are people actually moving with them in ways that makes the wireless capability useful? Do most users not stay in a pretty close proximity the whole time?
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  > do people really use the wireless capability of their keyboard or mouse? Yes. Why wouldn't you? Why do you think the downsides are? > Especially when you can't use your freaking mouse when it's charging? I charge it for about ten minutes every month while I'm out. It doesn't interfere with anything.
  - benburleson 7y ago
    The downside is requiring charging or batteries. I just have a hard time justifying the hassle when I have no need to make those devices wireless. And my battery always (when I had one) died mid-day, so it forced a work break, which isn't always bad anyway
    - chrisseaton 7y ago
      These devices use so little charge that they basically need no charging. You can literally do it once a month for a couple of minutes. The justification is not having any messy cables on my desk, where space is a premium and mess distracts me.
      - baroffoos 7y ago
        The problem is you forget every time so once a month you are in the middle of doing something and you have to stop, turn your mouse upside down and then wait.
        crazygringo 7y ago
        You get a "low battery" warning that pops up when it's got a day or two of charge left so it's fine. Don't need to stop anything, just plug it in at your next lunch break or when you leave for the day. It's just not really an issue as far as I can tell.
        hombre_fatal 7y ago
        The only way you can run into that is if you have a three-day meth burner (so, no breaks where you can charge the mouse), ignore the three days of low battery warnings, and then use it right up until failure yet be outraged that you don't have 5min to spare (meth will do that).
  - dredmorbius 7y ago
    The downside is that when your peripherals' batteries go flat, or the Bluetooth stack goes tits-up, you've got no keyboard or mouse. This happens with some regularity on the iMac I'm typing this on presently. The system has a wired (non-issue) keyboard, but the wireless Bluetooth "Magic Mouse". Every so often the mouse (or more likely, Mac) decides it wants to wedge Bluetooth and forget the mouse pairing / configuration. Powering down the mouse doesn't fix this, nor does restarting the computer itself. If it wasn't for the old legacy wired mouse+keyboard combo from the prior iMac this largely replaces, the system would be dead in the water when this happened. (Subsequent OS updates seem to have made mouseless operation slightly more viable, at least for recovery purposes. It's possible to log in and fire up System Preferences, which is most of the recovery process.) Too: removing additional steps in the keyboard/mouse stack results in crisper response: https://danluu.com/keyboard-latency/ https://danluu.com/keyboard-latency/ Fewer moving parts => more reliable operation. I hate wireless mice and keyboards.
- thrwn_frthr_awy 7y ago
  Do people use Apple Bluetooth keyboards and mice? Yes.
- CDSlice 7y ago
  Yes? I love my wireless keyboard and mouse, although they run off of AA batteries so I don't need to recharge them.
  - benburleson 7y ago
    In this case, is the freedom of wireless worth the hassle+cost of batteries?
    - CDSlice 7y ago
      To me, yes. Having two less cables running around is nice and less hassle. To me that is easily worth spending a few dollars twice a year for batteries.
    - snailmailman 7y ago
      My mouse needs new batteries maybe twice a year. The keyboard I’m using lasts considerably longer (maybe once every two years? I don’t keep track, but I’ve done it maybe once or twice, if ever) The convenience of being able to use it anywhere is minor but I don’t mind the hassle.
    - ac29 7y ago
      They work just fine with rechargeables, 4xAAA good quality NiMH cells with a charger costs only $35, and advertise 2000+ recharge cycles. The batteries in my mouse are probably a decade old and still last months between charges.
    - kirstenbirgit 7y ago
      Who hurt you, Ben?
      - dang 7y ago
        Please don't post unsubstantive comments to HN. And please, no personal swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - 7y ago
- TYPE_FASTER 7y ago
  Yes. Two double AAs each in my wireless Logitech mouse and Microsoft keyboard last years. So much better than wired.
- servercobra 7y ago
  Yes, most certainly. It charges enough for the whole day in like 2 minutes with Lightning fast charge. It's really not a problem.
baroffoos 7y ago
When price and space are not an issue with this device you would think they would just throw every thing on it so it suits everyone since there is no need to compromise here.

benburleson 7y ago

Which is insane.. do people really use the wireless capability of their keyboard or mouse? Especially when you can't use your freaking mouse when it's charging? Serious insanity. Edit to add: of course I know people use those keyboards... I meant are people actually moving with them in ways that makes the wireless capability useful? Do most users not stay in a pretty close proximity the whole time?

chrisseaton 7y ago
> do people really use the wireless capability of their keyboard or mouse? Yes. Why wouldn't you? Why do you think the downsides are? > Especially when you can't use your freaking mouse when it's charging? I charge it for about ten minutes every month while I'm out. It doesn't interfere with anything.
- benburleson 7y ago
  The downside is requiring charging or batteries. I just have a hard time justifying the hassle when I have no need to make those devices wireless. And my battery always (when I had one) died mid-day, so it forced a work break, which isn't always bad anyway
  - chrisseaton 7y ago
    These devices use so little charge that they basically need no charging. You can literally do it once a month for a couple of minutes. The justification is not having any messy cables on my desk, where space is a premium and mess distracts me.
    - baroffoos 7y ago
      The problem is you forget every time so once a month you are in the middle of doing something and you have to stop, turn your mouse upside down and then wait.
      - crazygringo 7y ago
        You get a "low battery" warning that pops up when it's got a day or two of charge left so it's fine. Don't need to stop anything, just plug it in at your next lunch break or when you leave for the day. It's just not really an issue as far as I can tell.
      - hombre_fatal 7y ago
        The only way you can run into that is if you have a three-day meth burner (so, no breaks where you can charge the mouse), ignore the three days of low battery warnings, and then use it right up until failure yet be outraged that you don't have 5min to spare (meth will do that).
- dredmorbius 7y ago
  The downside is that when your peripherals' batteries go flat, or the Bluetooth stack goes tits-up, you've got no keyboard or mouse. This happens with some regularity on the iMac I'm typing this on presently. The system has a wired (non-issue) keyboard, but the wireless Bluetooth "Magic Mouse". Every so often the mouse (or more likely, Mac) decides it wants to wedge Bluetooth and forget the mouse pairing / configuration. Powering down the mouse doesn't fix this, nor does restarting the computer itself. If it wasn't for the old legacy wired mouse+keyboard combo from the prior iMac this largely replaces, the system would be dead in the water when this happened. (Subsequent OS updates seem to have made mouseless operation slightly more viable, at least for recovery purposes. It's possible to log in and fire up System Preferences, which is most of the recovery process.) Too: removing additional steps in the keyboard/mouse stack results in crisper response: https://danluu.com/keyboard-latency/ https://danluu.com/keyboard-latency/ Fewer moving parts => more reliable operation. I hate wireless mice and keyboards.
thrwn_frthr_awy 7y ago
Do people use Apple Bluetooth keyboards and mice? Yes.
CDSlice 7y ago
Yes? I love my wireless keyboard and mouse, although they run off of AA batteries so I don't need to recharge them.
- benburleson 7y ago
  In this case, is the freedom of wireless worth the hassle+cost of batteries?
  - CDSlice 7y ago
    To me, yes. Having two less cables running around is nice and less hassle. To me that is easily worth spending a few dollars twice a year for batteries.
  - snailmailman 7y ago
    My mouse needs new batteries maybe twice a year. The keyboard I’m using lasts considerably longer (maybe once every two years? I don’t keep track, but I’ve done it maybe once or twice, if ever) The convenience of being able to use it anywhere is minor but I don’t mind the hassle.
  - ac29 7y ago
    They work just fine with rechargeables, 4xAAA good quality NiMH cells with a charger costs only $35, and advertise 2000+ recharge cycles. The batteries in my mouse are probably a decade old and still last months between charges.
  - kirstenbirgit 7y ago
    Who hurt you, Ben?
    - dang 7y ago
      Please don't post unsubstantive comments to HN. And please, no personal swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - 7y ago
TYPE_FASTER 7y ago
Yes. Two double AAs each in my wireless Logitech mouse and Microsoft keyboard last years. So much better than wired.
servercobra 7y ago
Yes, most certainly. It charges enough for the whole day in like 2 minutes with Lightning fast charge. It's really not a problem.

baroffoos 7y ago

When price and space are not an issue with this device you would think they would just throw every thing on it so it suits everyone since there is no need to compromise here.