5 ms·

They did no such thing, and I find it frustrating that people keep repeating this falsehood. Doordash promised to pay drives at least $X (where X was, I believe

They did no such thing, and I find it frustrating that people keep repeating this falsehood. Doordash promised to pay drives at least $X (where X was, I believe $1 or something like that) AND that the driver will make at least $Y from the delivery. The driver always gets the tip, plus a variable amount from DD. This is _exactly_ how it works for wait staff in restaurants in most states, except that is by hour instead of delivery. For example, in MA, the restaurant pays out a minimum of $3.75 (wait staff minimum wage in MA) and guarantees that the wait-person makes $11 (actual minimum wage). See https://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm https://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm

Nextgrid 7y ago
Did they make that clear to the end customer that this is what's happening with the tips? I don't care what their contract with the delivery driver states, if they allow me to add a tip I expect that tip to go in the driver's pocket in addition to whatever they'd get paid without the tip, just like if I was giving them cash directly. If that's not what's happening they have essentially defrauded me and I wouldn't be too happy about that.
- RHSeeger 7y ago
  The fact that it works just like waitstaff in restaurants (which is the first tipped job that comes to mind for the vast majority of people) makes it seem reasonable to me. Either way, though, they didn't do as the OP said they did > they used to withhold the total tips out of a delivery drivers base compensation so essentially taking the tips for themselves The driver's base pay was something like $1 or $2. They did not take tips out of that.
- zippergz 7y ago
  When was the last time a restaurant disclosed this arrangement to you?
  - jetti 7y ago
    Restaurants are bound by labor laws that require minimum wages to be paid to employees. As far as I know, Doordash drivers are not employees but are independent contractors which means they aren't required to be paid minimum wage under the Fair Labor Standards Act. Since they aren't required to be paid minimum wage this situation is completely different than at a restaurant
Sohcahtoa82 7y ago
That just means that restaurants are stealing tips, too.
thenewnewguy 7y ago
> This is _exactly_ how it works for wait staff in restaurants in most states, except that is by hour instead of delivery. For example, in MA, the restaurant pays out a minimum of $3.75 (wait staff minimum wage in MA) and guarantees that the wait-person makes $11 (actual minimum wage). This is deceptive. The big difference is that Doordash's calculation is redone for every order delivered. With wait staff past minimum wage the tip you give them doesn't in any way reduce the amount of money the business pays them. The business pays them the same amount if they make $1/hour above minimum wage or $20/hour above minimum wage. With Doordash on the other hand, the tip you give _always_ reduces the amount Doordash pays. You are essentially subsidizing Doordash's payment of the driver. This is deceptive because most people expect that when they leave a tip that the amount of the tip they leave will directly increase the income of the person they're tipping. In reality, a Doordash driver is very unlikely to make additional money because of your tip unless you tip a large amount. To top this off Doordash advertised tips as "100% goes to the driver", which is extremely scummy because it obviously is intended to trick people into this belief.

Nextgrid 7y ago

Did they make that clear to the end customer that this is what's happening with the tips? I don't care what their contract with the delivery driver states, if they allow me to add a tip I expect that tip to go in the driver's pocket in addition to whatever they'd get paid without the tip, just like if I was giving them cash directly. If that's not what's happening they have essentially defrauded me and I wouldn't be too happy about that.

RHSeeger 7y ago
The fact that it works just like waitstaff in restaurants (which is the first tipped job that comes to mind for the vast majority of people) makes it seem reasonable to me. Either way, though, they didn't do as the OP said they did > they used to withhold the total tips out of a delivery drivers base compensation so essentially taking the tips for themselves The driver's base pay was something like $1 or $2. They did not take tips out of that.
zippergz 7y ago
When was the last time a restaurant disclosed this arrangement to you?
- jetti 7y ago
  Restaurants are bound by labor laws that require minimum wages to be paid to employees. As far as I know, Doordash drivers are not employees but are independent contractors which means they aren't required to be paid minimum wage under the Fair Labor Standards Act. Since they aren't required to be paid minimum wage this situation is completely different than at a restaurant

Sohcahtoa82 7y ago

That just means that restaurants are stealing tips, too.

thenewnewguy 7y ago

> This is _exactly_ how it works for wait staff in restaurants in most states, except that is by hour instead of delivery. For example, in MA, the restaurant pays out a minimum of $3.75 (wait staff minimum wage in MA) and guarantees that the wait-person makes $11 (actual minimum wage). This is deceptive. The big difference is that Doordash's calculation is redone for every order delivered. With wait staff past minimum wage the tip you give them doesn't in any way reduce the amount of money the business pays them. The business pays them the same amount if they make $1/hour above minimum wage or $20/hour above minimum wage. With Doordash on the other hand, the tip you give _always_ reduces the amount Doordash pays. You are essentially subsidizing Doordash's payment of the driver. This is deceptive because most people expect that when they leave a tip that the amount of the tip they leave will directly increase the income of the person they're tipping. In reality, a Doordash driver is very unlikely to make additional money because of your tip unless you tip a large amount. To top this off Doordash advertised tips as "100% goes to the driver", which is extremely scummy because it obviously is intended to trick people into this belief.