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I kinda wish Tesla made a few regular petrol cars for the enthusiast type such as myself, as this sounds like a ton of neat technology to play around with. I'm

I kinda wish Tesla made a few regular petrol cars for the enthusiast type such as myself, as this sounds like a ton of neat technology to play around with. I'm just not in the market for an electric car, unfortunately. Edit: By enthusiast, I mean track/motorsport/etc enthusiast. I borrowed a Model S from a friend of mine for a few days and while I enjoyed it, it wasn't the most exciting drive, and I can't imagine it would be much good on a track. Amazing technology though.

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gameswithgo 7y ago
I used to be a huge enthusiast, drove mr2s, z06 corvettes, a wrx, bmw 3 series, autocrossed the competitively. Driving an electric tesla made all of those cars feel utterly dumb. If you drive cross country a lot or do long track sessions, I get it, tesla won't work well, but if you don't think an enthusiast would like a tesla, give one a try.
- spectrum1234 7y ago
  Right unless you routinely go on 500+ mile trips with a longer range Tesla or 400+ mile trips with the shorter range models there is no need for a gas car. I road trip a decent amount but I've released 4-5 hour drives aren't really an issue. And of course those trips are possible you'd just need to stop 1-3 times for 10-15 mins (you charge faster at lower batter % vs fill up more range once). Now if you want to go 2x your battery range, then you actually start to have a mild inconvenience with charging time.
  - cortesoft 7y ago
    I thought that, too, but I have taken a couple of longer (800 mile or so) trips in the Tesla and was pleasantly surprised. I thought the 'charge for 30 minutes' at a supercharger was going to seem like a lot of waiting, but by the time we unloaded the kids out of the car, went to the bathroom, etc, the car was already charged. Being forced to stop every couple of hundred miles was really not that bad. Broke up the trip nicely. Also, the autopilot is AMAZING for long trips. Even though you have to pay attention, it is so much less exhausting than fully driving. I kinda feel like a supervisor, watching out far down the road, looking out for strange things coming up, etc. Just a very pleasant experience.
    - atonse 7y ago
      I second this. I had the same concerns but we stop anyway with young kids. And charging has never felt too long. Since there are so many superchargers in the northeast US (DC-Boston) you can stop for 15 mins at a time even and that’s fine too. The self driving makes road trips utterly relaxing.
    - automathematics 7y ago
      100%. Tesla is THE car for long roadtrips in the US and the narrative otherwise needs to stop. CURRENT Superchargers charge up to 600 miles per hour. COMPLETELY dead to COMPLETELY full is like 30 minutes. But most stops to charge will only last long enough for you to pee and grab a red bull NEW superchargers charge up to 1000 miles per hour. Do the math. You're going to have to start jogging if you want your redbull before idle fee's kick in. Combine that with autopilot. I took a trip in a gas rental car recently and HATED it. Tesla for roadtrips for sure.
      - Fins 7y ago
        What really needs to stop is the fanboi narrative of "I drive my glorious Tesla like that (and damn the compriomises) so YOU BETTER LOVE IT TOO, AAARGGGHHHH!!!!!!" If it works for your roadtrips, great. For mine it doesn't, and anyone telling me that I should enjoy spending an hour in some crummy location in the middle of nowhere waiting for the thing to charge (but only to 80%, or your battery will lose capacity!) are probably the same people who enjoy Elon's fart jokes.
- icelancer 7y ago
  Same. The Tesla Model 3 is great. I'd get one if I didn't have crushing doubt about their ability to service their cars. Or stay in business long-term.
  - xedeon 7y ago
    > I'd get one if I didn't have crushing doubt about their ability to service their cars. Or stay in business long-term. Are you serious? That false narrative fueled by FUD has been the talking point by short-sellers since 2008 (Only Tesla and Ford survived the 2008 market crash btw). It's now 2019 and you would think people would know any better.
    - navigatesol 7y ago
      False narrative? The "narrative" is their financial data. The fact that there is so much capital floating around to keep bad businesses afloat doesn't make them good businesses. I'm sure the shady silicon valley dealings are isolated to WeWork, even though Tesla is being sued for similar self-dealing. Good luck!
      - xedeon 7y ago
        Netflix Revenue — $17 billion Gross Profit — $5.8 billion EBITDA — $2 billion Market Cap — $111 billion Debt — $14 billion Enterprise Value — $125 billion Tesla Revenue — $25B Gross Profit — $4B EBITDA — $2.33B Market Cap — $39B Debt — $14B Enterprise Value — $54B ------------------- Uber Revenue — $12 billion Gross Profit — $4 billion EBITDA — negative $7.6 billion Market Cap — $53 billion Debt — $6.2 billion Enterprise Value — $50.5 billion Tesla Revenue — $25B Gross Profit — $4B EBITDA — $2.33B Market Cap — $39B Debt — $14B Enterprise Value — $54B I can go on but hopefully you get the point.
        qroshan 7y ago
        Holy shit! The lies that you have put Tesla's Q2 Gross Profit was 900 million with a Gross profit of -170 Million. Where did you get the 25B Gross Profit from?
- w8vY7ER 7y ago
  I'm in the same boat and also raced motorcycles around closed circuit racetracks in sanctioned events so I understand the draw. I have 25k miles on my '18 Model 3 now and can't imagine going back to even the best gas car I ever drove. It's just apples and oranges. Both have a special place in my heart but I'll take the EV nine times out of ten these days! Anybody on the fence should just give it a whirl and see for yourself!
- ratsbane 7y ago
  I've driven my Model 3 on a 2400-mile road trip from Fremont to Memphis, as well as many 200-800 mile road trips and it has really exceeded my initial expectations. I would not want to take a long trip in a conventional car again. The combination of autopilot, infotainment, and smoother ride makes it less tiring. The charging stops tend to happen when I would want to take a break and eat anyway. Also, hotels with Tesla chargers are great.
- notJim 7y ago
  The other major caveat is that your trips need to not venture far from the interstate. I was interested in a Tesla, but my frequent camping trips in Rainier make it impossible for the moment.
  - ratsbane 7y ago
    Check out RV connections at campgrounds, if you haven't already. They're not as fast as Superchargers, but overnight you can easily go from empty to full. Looking at Plugshare.com, I see a bunch of level 2 chargers to the north-northwest of Mt. Rainier.
    - notJim 7y ago
      I strongly prefer to camp in the NF right outside the park or in the park itself, so that rules out the RV campgrounds. I think the L2 stuff you're seeing is in the Seattle metro, there's nothing near Rainier. I'm coming from Portland, so it'd be way out of my way to go to Seattle.
      - ratsbane 7y ago
        Hmm, now I'm thinking about how I would plan a trip like that... Google Maps shows 139 miles from Portland to Mt. Rainier. My Model 3 (long-range, RWD) has about 306 miles range at the moment (after 42,000 miles) so I could almost go there and back without charging, but altitude changes and low temperatures will crimp the range a bit. Are you familiar with Alexander's Lodge? (https://alexanderslodge.com/ https://alexanderslodge.com/) It looks like they have a couple of Tesla Destination Chargers, which typically work at around 40mph, (40 miles of range for each hour of charge) so it would work to drive there, charge for an hour or two, and have enough range to comfortably drive back to Portland in a day or two. Of course, that doesn't mean the Model 3 is right for you in every way, but it's interesting to think through scenarios like this. (edit) https://www.plugshare.com/location/79838 https://www.plugshare.com/location/79838
        notJim 7y ago
- bradlys 7y ago
  > I used to be a huge enthusiast, drove mr2s, z06 corvettes, a wrx, bmw 3 series, autocrossed the competitively. > Driving an electric tesla made all of those cars feel utterly dumb. Why do they feel dumb? I hear this kind of stuff but I don't get it. Do you still do all the things you did with your old cars but now with your Tesla?
  - gameswithgo 7y ago
    instant torque available all the time. everyone loves big v8s because of this, electric cars do it more. and without any drivetrain lashing, no pauses or upsetting the car for shifting
    - bradlys 7y ago
      Is that it though? I mean, I get the appeal of torque but there's more to cars than a straight line pull.
  - bobsil1 7y ago
    No throttle lag, way more torque, quiet, silent, no loss of range and no CO2 while sitting in traffic jam… ICE just feels intolerable after.
    - bradlys 7y ago
      If you have had a Z06 (like the person posted) then you're familiar with big torque. (It has 650lbft) Similarly with any literbike in the last 10 years or what not... Just roll the throttle and you'll overtake anything in any gear. I feel like the traffic jam stuff isn't about driving - that's about commuting. I can't imagine being in a dead silent car all the time. It's not like they're dead silent anyway - you hear plenty of wind. I think the sound of tires squealing isn't a very appealing sound. So if that's almost all I'm ever going to hear while ripping up a road then I think I won't have as much fun.
      - revscat 7y ago
        Yeah, but you’re helping to get the world off of oil.
- AcerbicZero 7y ago
  I have driven the Model S, and while its fine, its not a car I could live with full time. I should have been more clear, by enthusiast I meant more along the lines of track-day enthusiast. If I had room for 2 cars, then the Tesla would be a much more attractive option.

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gameswithgo 7y ago

I used to be a huge enthusiast, drove mr2s, z06 corvettes, a wrx, bmw 3 series, autocrossed the competitively. Driving an electric tesla made all of those cars feel utterly dumb. If you drive cross country a lot or do long track sessions, I get it, tesla won't work well, but if you don't think an enthusiast would like a tesla, give one a try.

spectrum1234 7y ago
Right unless you routinely go on 500+ mile trips with a longer range Tesla or 400+ mile trips with the shorter range models there is no need for a gas car. I road trip a decent amount but I've released 4-5 hour drives aren't really an issue. And of course those trips are possible you'd just need to stop 1-3 times for 10-15 mins (you charge faster at lower batter % vs fill up more range once). Now if you want to go 2x your battery range, then you actually start to have a mild inconvenience with charging time.
- cortesoft 7y ago
  I thought that, too, but I have taken a couple of longer (800 mile or so) trips in the Tesla and was pleasantly surprised. I thought the 'charge for 30 minutes' at a supercharger was going to seem like a lot of waiting, but by the time we unloaded the kids out of the car, went to the bathroom, etc, the car was already charged. Being forced to stop every couple of hundred miles was really not that bad. Broke up the trip nicely. Also, the autopilot is AMAZING for long trips. Even though you have to pay attention, it is so much less exhausting than fully driving. I kinda feel like a supervisor, watching out far down the road, looking out for strange things coming up, etc. Just a very pleasant experience.
  - atonse 7y ago
    I second this. I had the same concerns but we stop anyway with young kids. And charging has never felt too long. Since there are so many superchargers in the northeast US (DC-Boston) you can stop for 15 mins at a time even and that’s fine too. The self driving makes road trips utterly relaxing.
  - automathematics 7y ago
    100%. Tesla is THE car for long roadtrips in the US and the narrative otherwise needs to stop. CURRENT Superchargers charge up to 600 miles per hour. COMPLETELY dead to COMPLETELY full is like 30 minutes. But most stops to charge will only last long enough for you to pee and grab a red bull NEW superchargers charge up to 1000 miles per hour. Do the math. You're going to have to start jogging if you want your redbull before idle fee's kick in. Combine that with autopilot. I took a trip in a gas rental car recently and HATED it. Tesla for roadtrips for sure.
    - Fins 7y ago
      What really needs to stop is the fanboi narrative of "I drive my glorious Tesla like that (and damn the compriomises) so YOU BETTER LOVE IT TOO, AAARGGGHHHH!!!!!!" If it works for your roadtrips, great. For mine it doesn't, and anyone telling me that I should enjoy spending an hour in some crummy location in the middle of nowhere waiting for the thing to charge (but only to 80%, or your battery will lose capacity!) are probably the same people who enjoy Elon's fart jokes.
icelancer 7y ago
Same. The Tesla Model 3 is great. I'd get one if I didn't have crushing doubt about their ability to service their cars. Or stay in business long-term.
- xedeon 7y ago
  > I'd get one if I didn't have crushing doubt about their ability to service their cars. Or stay in business long-term. Are you serious? That false narrative fueled by FUD has been the talking point by short-sellers since 2008 (Only Tesla and Ford survived the 2008 market crash btw). It's now 2019 and you would think people would know any better.
  - navigatesol 7y ago
    False narrative? The "narrative" is their financial data. The fact that there is so much capital floating around to keep bad businesses afloat doesn't make them good businesses. I'm sure the shady silicon valley dealings are isolated to WeWork, even though Tesla is being sued for similar self-dealing. Good luck!
    - xedeon 7y ago
      Netflix Revenue — $17 billion Gross Profit — $5.8 billion EBITDA — $2 billion Market Cap — $111 billion Debt — $14 billion Enterprise Value — $125 billion Tesla Revenue — $25B Gross Profit — $4B EBITDA — $2.33B Market Cap — $39B Debt — $14B Enterprise Value — $54B ------------------- Uber Revenue — $12 billion Gross Profit — $4 billion EBITDA — negative $7.6 billion Market Cap — $53 billion Debt — $6.2 billion Enterprise Value — $50.5 billion Tesla Revenue — $25B Gross Profit — $4B EBITDA — $2.33B Market Cap — $39B Debt — $14B Enterprise Value — $54B I can go on but hopefully you get the point.
      - qroshan 7y ago
        Holy shit! The lies that you have put Tesla's Q2 Gross Profit was 900 million with a Gross profit of -170 Million. Where did you get the 25B Gross Profit from?
w8vY7ER 7y ago
I'm in the same boat and also raced motorcycles around closed circuit racetracks in sanctioned events so I understand the draw. I have 25k miles on my '18 Model 3 now and can't imagine going back to even the best gas car I ever drove. It's just apples and oranges. Both have a special place in my heart but I'll take the EV nine times out of ten these days! Anybody on the fence should just give it a whirl and see for yourself!
ratsbane 7y ago
I've driven my Model 3 on a 2400-mile road trip from Fremont to Memphis, as well as many 200-800 mile road trips and it has really exceeded my initial expectations. I would not want to take a long trip in a conventional car again. The combination of autopilot, infotainment, and smoother ride makes it less tiring. The charging stops tend to happen when I would want to take a break and eat anyway. Also, hotels with Tesla chargers are great.
notJim 7y ago
The other major caveat is that your trips need to not venture far from the interstate. I was interested in a Tesla, but my frequent camping trips in Rainier make it impossible for the moment.
- ratsbane 7y ago
  Check out RV connections at campgrounds, if you haven't already. They're not as fast as Superchargers, but overnight you can easily go from empty to full. Looking at Plugshare.com, I see a bunch of level 2 chargers to the north-northwest of Mt. Rainier.
  - notJim 7y ago
    I strongly prefer to camp in the NF right outside the park or in the park itself, so that rules out the RV campgrounds. I think the L2 stuff you're seeing is in the Seattle metro, there's nothing near Rainier. I'm coming from Portland, so it'd be way out of my way to go to Seattle.
    - ratsbane 7y ago
      Hmm, now I'm thinking about how I would plan a trip like that... Google Maps shows 139 miles from Portland to Mt. Rainier. My Model 3 (long-range, RWD) has about 306 miles range at the moment (after 42,000 miles) so I could almost go there and back without charging, but altitude changes and low temperatures will crimp the range a bit. Are you familiar with Alexander's Lodge? (https://alexanderslodge.com/ https://alexanderslodge.com/) It looks like they have a couple of Tesla Destination Chargers, which typically work at around 40mph, (40 miles of range for each hour of charge) so it would work to drive there, charge for an hour or two, and have enough range to comfortably drive back to Portland in a day or two. Of course, that doesn't mean the Model 3 is right for you in every way, but it's interesting to think through scenarios like this. (edit) https://www.plugshare.com/location/79838 https://www.plugshare.com/location/79838
      - notJim 7y ago
bradlys 7y ago
> I used to be a huge enthusiast, drove mr2s, z06 corvettes, a wrx, bmw 3 series, autocrossed the competitively. > Driving an electric tesla made all of those cars feel utterly dumb. Why do they feel dumb? I hear this kind of stuff but I don't get it. Do you still do all the things you did with your old cars but now with your Tesla?
- gameswithgo 7y ago
  instant torque available all the time. everyone loves big v8s because of this, electric cars do it more. and without any drivetrain lashing, no pauses or upsetting the car for shifting
  - bradlys 7y ago
    Is that it though? I mean, I get the appeal of torque but there's more to cars than a straight line pull.
- bobsil1 7y ago
  No throttle lag, way more torque, quiet, silent, no loss of range and no CO2 while sitting in traffic jam… ICE just feels intolerable after.
  - bradlys 7y ago
    If you have had a Z06 (like the person posted) then you're familiar with big torque. (It has 650lbft) Similarly with any literbike in the last 10 years or what not... Just roll the throttle and you'll overtake anything in any gear. I feel like the traffic jam stuff isn't about driving - that's about commuting. I can't imagine being in a dead silent car all the time. It's not like they're dead silent anyway - you hear plenty of wind. I think the sound of tires squealing isn't a very appealing sound. So if that's almost all I'm ever going to hear while ripping up a road then I think I won't have as much fun.
    - revscat 7y ago
      Yeah, but you’re helping to get the world off of oil.
AcerbicZero 7y ago
I have driven the Model S, and while its fine, its not a car I could live with full time. I should have been more clear, by enthusiast I meant more along the lines of track-day enthusiast. If I had room for 2 cars, then the Tesla would be a much more attractive option.