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> Why it this all apple's fault? I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for a privacy policy. Apple didn't say this was a privacy policy issue, why do you thi

> Why it this all apple's fault? I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for a privacy policy. Apple didn't say this was a privacy policy issue, why do you think it is? > One fix, developers should be able to pay $500 to [...] So by default if Apple rejects you and refuses to give a reason, you should have the "opportunity" of paying them $500 so Apple tells you what Apple already knows? What a deal!

mikepurvis 7y ago
I mean, the other way to look at this is the baseline cost for a supported enterprise developer account is $500 (or $5000, or whatever), and it's a discount to $99 if you happen not to need the extra hand-holding.
- calcifer 7y ago
  > extra hand-holding If "we are going to kick you out and tell you why" is extra hand-holding in whatever bizarre world you live in, sure.
  - mikepurvis 7y ago
    I'm not saying it's acceptable, I'm just saying— the alternative is probably something more like the five-figure game console SDK license fees of the PS2 era. That kind of money pays for you to have a phone number to someone who is accountable for your success deploying product on the platform and helps you work through any issues you come up against. But obviously, it also locks out most smaller devs from participating. So it's arguable whether the current state of affairs is sustainable or a net improvement.
    - calcifer 7y ago
      > the alternative is probably something more like [...] No it's not. If they can send you an email saying your account is suspended they could simply include the reason in there. There is no justification whatsoever for making that information cost further money.
  - privateSFacct 7y ago
    The "bizarre" world is this world. If you go through the trouble of applying for a job, submitting a resume, doing a phone interview and are rejected - they may kick you to the curb and NEVER tell you why. This is not bizarre world, this is this world. If you apply to college and they turn you down, even though you have paid fees and spent time on your application, they almost certainly WILL NOT tell you why as they kick you to the curb. If you are sending spam and the mailer rejects you, it almost certainly will not tell you exactly why - just give a link to general guidance. Most if not all large / high volume application systems have evolved in this direction.
privateSFacct 7y ago
Apple is dealing with 2 million+ apps. Some of the developers are not reading the guidelines or actively subverting or trying to subvert apples customers. If you work in this type of space, your time becomes precious and there can be extreme mismatches between what a developer etc thinks is owed to them and what they have paid for. I'm pointing out that the developer is not following even basic guidelines. It seems possible that either this or another guideline is not being followed?

mikepurvis 7y ago

I mean, the other way to look at this is the baseline cost for a supported enterprise developer account is $500 (or $5000, or whatever), and it's a discount to $99 if you happen not to need the extra hand-holding.

calcifer 7y ago
> extra hand-holding If "we are going to kick you out and tell you why" is extra hand-holding in whatever bizarre world you live in, sure.
- mikepurvis 7y ago
  I'm not saying it's acceptable, I'm just saying— the alternative is probably something more like the five-figure game console SDK license fees of the PS2 era. That kind of money pays for you to have a phone number to someone who is accountable for your success deploying product on the platform and helps you work through any issues you come up against. But obviously, it also locks out most smaller devs from participating. So it's arguable whether the current state of affairs is sustainable or a net improvement.
  - calcifer 7y ago
    > the alternative is probably something more like [...] No it's not. If they can send you an email saying your account is suspended they could simply include the reason in there. There is no justification whatsoever for making that information cost further money.
- privateSFacct 7y ago
  The "bizarre" world is this world. If you go through the trouble of applying for a job, submitting a resume, doing a phone interview and are rejected - they may kick you to the curb and NEVER tell you why. This is not bizarre world, this is this world. If you apply to college and they turn you down, even though you have paid fees and spent time on your application, they almost certainly WILL NOT tell you why as they kick you to the curb. If you are sending spam and the mailer rejects you, it almost certainly will not tell you exactly why - just give a link to general guidance. Most if not all large / high volume application systems have evolved in this direction.

privateSFacct 7y ago

Apple is dealing with 2 million+ apps. Some of the developers are not reading the guidelines or actively subverting or trying to subvert apples customers. If you work in this type of space, your time becomes precious and there can be extreme mismatches between what a developer etc thinks is owed to them and what they have paid for. I'm pointing out that the developer is not following even basic guidelines. It seems possible that either this or another guideline is not being followed?