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> who is being most immediately impacted (equatorial countries huh?!? temperature raise is a lot more pronounced at poles, not at equator

teachrdan 7y ago
I believe the idea is that equatorial countries are the ones most affected by flooding due to sea levels rising and more powerful storms.
- godelski 7y ago
  India is a current example of this btw. They've been facing much more devastating floods recently. We can also tract hurricanes in the Atlantic and is is easy to see that the frequency and intensity is increasing. Equatorial regions are also subject to more droughts. There is also a correlation between equatorial countries and many being 2nd or 3rd world countries, which do not have the technological nor economical resources that deal with these events as well as 1st worlds.
adrianN 7y ago
There are a lot fewer people living at the poles.
jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
In the tropics you'll find a lot of food unsecurity. Hawaii is a good example of this, importing 80% of its food. Now, climate change brings about more than just temperature rise, we're talking about more powerful storms causing more inundation along coastlines. Hawaii is vulnerable in this way because all of the shipping infrastructure which supports 2 million people is at the coastline and could easily be knocked out by a category 5 hurricane. The flooding from such a storm can also salinate farmlands, slosh salt water, chemicals or pathogens into the aquifer. It is clear how shit goes south very quickly from there. Closer to the equator you'll find Kiribati, where salination of farmlands and aquifers has already happened. Luckily the rest of the world is still online and willing to keep their country on life support, but the prospects for kiribati to independently support itself in the long term are non-existent. Carbon dioxide also raises ocean acidity which kills off corals and crashes fisheries, leaving coastal communities without reliable protein sources. I hope you can see how an indifference to climate change on the part of predominately white countries to can be construed as racist. When someone says that, he or she is talking about all the non-white people who are currently suffering due to changes in their climates.
- viklove 7y ago
  > In the tropics you'll find a lot of food unsecurity. Hawaii is a good example of this, importing 80% of its food. This is hilariously misled. Food must be imported into Hawaii because it's an island with very little arable land, not because it's "in the tropics." Equatorial nations have by far the greatest access to food when compared to any other place on the earth. That's why biodiversity is the greatest near the equator -- there are more resources. > I hope you can see how an indifference to climate change on the part of predominately white countries to can be construed as racist. When someone says that, he or she is talking about all the non-white people who are currently suffering due to changes in their climates. Yes, but they are not disproportionately affected due to some conspiracy, but rather just because money protects you from consequences. If you're poor, you can't move, and you can't buy water. That affects you less if you have a stable income and marketable skills (which are easier to access in the west).
  - jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
    Hawaii has enough arable land to support the number of people living here. It's their distribution that's problematic. Everything is in the wrong place to make efficient use of the land. I live out here in the pacific, I travel all over Oahu every day. People lived here for over a thousand years without foreign goods. The food scarcity is manufactured to suck money back to the mainland U.S.
    - viklove 7y ago
      > The food scarcity is manufactured to suck money back to the mainland U.S. Hah--oh wait, you're actually serious?
      - jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
        If you'd rather attribute the situation to incompetence then we can say that the food scarcity exists because the local government supports the tourism industry over agriculture, alotting more land and water resources and collapsing what was once a sustainable food system... accidentally. When you use words like "hilarious" and "hah" I feel annoyed, because I need a little more respect and acknowledgement for the work I am doing in horticulture, food security out here in the pacific. I have a hard time listening to what you are trying to say when you are typing laughter at me. Do you want to try and share your thoughts without implying that you think my world is a joke?

teachrdan 7y ago

I believe the idea is that equatorial countries are the ones most affected by flooding due to sea levels rising and more powerful storms.

godelski 7y ago
India is a current example of this btw. They've been facing much more devastating floods recently. We can also tract hurricanes in the Atlantic and is is easy to see that the frequency and intensity is increasing. Equatorial regions are also subject to more droughts. There is also a correlation between equatorial countries and many being 2nd or 3rd world countries, which do not have the technological nor economical resources that deal with these events as well as 1st worlds.

adrianN 7y ago

There are a lot fewer people living at the poles.

jacobwilliamroy 7y ago

In the tropics you'll find a lot of food unsecurity. Hawaii is a good example of this, importing 80% of its food. Now, climate change brings about more than just temperature rise, we're talking about more powerful storms causing more inundation along coastlines. Hawaii is vulnerable in this way because all of the shipping infrastructure which supports 2 million people is at the coastline and could easily be knocked out by a category 5 hurricane. The flooding from such a storm can also salinate farmlands, slosh salt water, chemicals or pathogens into the aquifer. It is clear how shit goes south very quickly from there. Closer to the equator you'll find Kiribati, where salination of farmlands and aquifers has already happened. Luckily the rest of the world is still online and willing to keep their country on life support, but the prospects for kiribati to independently support itself in the long term are non-existent. Carbon dioxide also raises ocean acidity which kills off corals and crashes fisheries, leaving coastal communities without reliable protein sources. I hope you can see how an indifference to climate change on the part of predominately white countries to can be construed as racist. When someone says that, he or she is talking about all the non-white people who are currently suffering due to changes in their climates.

viklove 7y ago
> In the tropics you'll find a lot of food unsecurity. Hawaii is a good example of this, importing 80% of its food. This is hilariously misled. Food must be imported into Hawaii because it's an island with very little arable land, not because it's "in the tropics." Equatorial nations have by far the greatest access to food when compared to any other place on the earth. That's why biodiversity is the greatest near the equator -- there are more resources. > I hope you can see how an indifference to climate change on the part of predominately white countries to can be construed as racist. When someone says that, he or she is talking about all the non-white people who are currently suffering due to changes in their climates. Yes, but they are not disproportionately affected due to some conspiracy, but rather just because money protects you from consequences. If you're poor, you can't move, and you can't buy water. That affects you less if you have a stable income and marketable skills (which are easier to access in the west).
- jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
  Hawaii has enough arable land to support the number of people living here. It's their distribution that's problematic. Everything is in the wrong place to make efficient use of the land. I live out here in the pacific, I travel all over Oahu every day. People lived here for over a thousand years without foreign goods. The food scarcity is manufactured to suck money back to the mainland U.S.
  - viklove 7y ago
    > The food scarcity is manufactured to suck money back to the mainland U.S. Hah--oh wait, you're actually serious?
    - jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
      If you'd rather attribute the situation to incompetence then we can say that the food scarcity exists because the local government supports the tourism industry over agriculture, alotting more land and water resources and collapsing what was once a sustainable food system... accidentally. When you use words like "hilarious" and "hah" I feel annoyed, because I need a little more respect and acknowledgement for the work I am doing in horticulture, food security out here in the pacific. I have a hard time listening to what you are trying to say when you are typing laughter at me. Do you want to try and share your thoughts without implying that you think my world is a joke?