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don't mean to be 'dumb' here, but how is 'left accelerationism' not some flavor of socialism and 'right accelerationism' not some flavor of facism, other than u

by cat199 7y ago

don't mean to be 'dumb' here, but how is 'left accelerationism' not some flavor of socialism and 'right accelerationism' not some flavor of facism, other than using different words and sounding more 'current'

uxp100 7y ago
Left-accelerationism IS some form of socialism. The goal being to heighten the contradictions of capitalism. And yes, an accelerationist tendency has existed for a long time, since Marx I think. Right accelerationism differs from fascism in its relationship to capitalism I think. But honestly, I think these groupings are a bit iffy. There are connections between Zelzany, Land, and leftist acceleration, but they are slight.
camdenlock 7y ago
You’re not being dumb, you’re just noticing that these “philosophers” just really really enjoy endlessly writing jargon and arguing about terminology and the excruciating and irrelevant minutiae of their ideologies (AKA religions). It’s not intended to be clear. Quite the opposite.
AnimalMuppet 7y ago
They're not just socialism and fascism (or something else right-wing), they're revolutionary socialism and fascism. The intent is to destroy the existing system and replace it with their vision of what would be "better". The difference is in technique. Old-school revolutionaries tried to destroy the current system by fighting it. Accelerationists try to destroy the system by trying to make it more what it is. If you think of the system (current US democracy plus capitalism, say) in the center of a frame, a leftist would view it as being too far to the right, and a rightist would view it as being too far to the left. An old-school leftist would try to shove the whole country to the left. A left accelerationist would try to shove it to the right, thinking that the further right it gets, the closer it is to destroying itself. Of course, their perspective is a bit off. The left (or right) accelerationist sees the current system as already being pretty far right (or left), not center. They therefore mis-estimate how much further they would have to move it to bring about destruction. If they fail to move it that far, all they've done is strengthen the side they're trying to fight.
- stOneskull 7y ago
  Why isn't usury put front and center?
  - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
    Because nobody thinks that usury is the problem - the one most worthy of being front and center. Why do you ask? Why do you think this is a relevant reply to my post?
    - stOneskull 7y ago
      i wanted to ask everyone. looking for any mention. and yeah it should be. it's been the biggest evil in the world.

by cat199 7y ago

uxp100 7y ago

Left-accelerationism IS some form of socialism. The goal being to heighten the contradictions of capitalism. And yes, an accelerationist tendency has existed for a long time, since Marx I think. Right accelerationism differs from fascism in its relationship to capitalism I think. But honestly, I think these groupings are a bit iffy. There are connections between Zelzany, Land, and leftist acceleration, but they are slight.

camdenlock 7y ago

You’re not being dumb, you’re just noticing that these “philosophers” just really really enjoy endlessly writing jargon and arguing about terminology and the excruciating and irrelevant minutiae of their ideologies (AKA religions). It’s not intended to be clear. Quite the opposite.

AnimalMuppet 7y ago

They're not just socialism and fascism (or something else right-wing), they're revolutionary socialism and fascism. The intent is to destroy the existing system and replace it with their vision of what would be "better". The difference is in technique. Old-school revolutionaries tried to destroy the current system by fighting it. Accelerationists try to destroy the system by trying to make it more what it is. If you think of the system (current US democracy plus capitalism, say) in the center of a frame, a leftist would view it as being too far to the right, and a rightist would view it as being too far to the left. An old-school leftist would try to shove the whole country to the left. A left accelerationist would try to shove it to the right, thinking that the further right it gets, the closer it is to destroying itself. Of course, their perspective is a bit off. The left (or right) accelerationist sees the current system as already being pretty far right (or left), not center. They therefore mis-estimate how much further they would have to move it to bring about destruction. If they fail to move it that far, all they've done is strengthen the side they're trying to fight.

stOneskull 7y ago
Why isn't usury put front and center?
- AnimalMuppet 7y ago
  Because nobody thinks that usury is the problem - the one most worthy of being front and center. Why do you ask? Why do you think this is a relevant reply to my post?
  - stOneskull 7y ago
    i wanted to ask everyone. looking for any mention. and yeah it should be. it's been the biggest evil in the world.