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Do you seriously expect Google and Cloudflate to make basic web development easier when they are making tons of money by "managing" its complexity for others? I

Do you seriously expect Google and Cloudflate to make basic web development easier when they are making tons of money by "managing" its complexity for others? It's in their best interest to make hosting your own content or using smaller hosting providers absolute hell. Just like it's in Google's best interest to make browsers so complex that other browser devs just give up and Chrome derivatives become the only choice. I'm predicting that eventually Google will start deranking HTTP 1.1 websites.

IfOnlyYouKnew 7y ago
I have no idea how cookies are supposed to having an impact on hosting in Google's cloud vs your own hardware, or why Google would care about people where something like that is in any way significant.
- gambler 7y ago
  >I have no idea how cookies are supposed to having an impact on hosting in Google's cloud vs your own hardware You do not see how lack of built-in authentication increases complexity of implementing your own website as opposed to "outsourcing" stuff to Gmail, Google Docs and so on? You don't see the zillion "sign in with Google" buttons all over the web? You don't see how cookies are abused for tracking, which benefits Google orders of magnitude more than it would a smaller company?
  - y4mi 7y ago
    Do you even know what "sign in with Google" means? It's in no way easier than adding keycloak authentication for example, which is another (selfhosted) external authentication solution. Social auth isnt there to make authentication easier for the website owner. He still has to do everything he'd have to do if he didn't use it. It's there for the users, do they don't need to remember a bazillion passwords
- tptacek 7y ago
  The reality is that Google is working as hard on getting rid of cookies as any organization on the Internet.
  - gambler 7y ago
    What you're saying: Google, a multi-billion dollar corporation that owns most of the browser and search market share, a company that dictates the next transport-layer protocol we will use - this company struggles to design a session-handling mechanism that would out-compete an ugly hack that Netscape ductaped to HTTP in mid-90s.
    - tptacek 7y ago
      Correct.

IfOnlyYouKnew 7y ago

I have no idea how cookies are supposed to having an impact on hosting in Google's cloud vs your own hardware, or why Google would care about people where something like that is in any way significant.

gambler 7y ago
>I have no idea how cookies are supposed to having an impact on hosting in Google's cloud vs your own hardware You do not see how lack of built-in authentication increases complexity of implementing your own website as opposed to "outsourcing" stuff to Gmail, Google Docs and so on? You don't see the zillion "sign in with Google" buttons all over the web? You don't see how cookies are abused for tracking, which benefits Google orders of magnitude more than it would a smaller company?
- y4mi 7y ago
  Do you even know what "sign in with Google" means? It's in no way easier than adding keycloak authentication for example, which is another (selfhosted) external authentication solution. Social auth isnt there to make authentication easier for the website owner. He still has to do everything he'd have to do if he didn't use it. It's there for the users, do they don't need to remember a bazillion passwords
tptacek 7y ago
The reality is that Google is working as hard on getting rid of cookies as any organization on the Internet.
- gambler 7y ago
  What you're saying: Google, a multi-billion dollar corporation that owns most of the browser and search market share, a company that dictates the next transport-layer protocol we will use - this company struggles to design a session-handling mechanism that would out-compete an ugly hack that Netscape ductaped to HTTP in mid-90s.
  - tptacek 7y ago
    Correct.