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> Talk to the actual couriers I have: they don't like the current arrangement. When they're tipped via apps, they don't even get to keep them. Doesn't sound l

> Talk to the actual couriers I have: they don't like the current arrangement. When they're tipped via apps, they don't even get to keep them. Doesn't sound like they're independent contractors when they can't set their own rates and collect from their clients without the delivery app companies skimming their tips. > they don’t want to be employees, because this very frequently is not a full time job. This is a false dichotomy. Many people work multiple jobs on a flexible schedule where they are considered employees at each of their employers. They also hate the tax burden that is quarterly filing and paying the self-employment tax.

shawnz 7y ago
> When they're tipped via apps, they don't even get to keep them. I thought the only one still doing this was DoorDash, and they reversed it after the recent backlash?
- untog 7y ago
  It's nebulous. Apps that employ(/contract/whatever) their delivery drivers separately from the restaurant have a clear picture, but when you leave a tip on a site like Seamless the money goes to the restaurant. You certainly hope the restaurant is distributing that to the staff, but you don't know for sure.
  - deminature 7y ago
    It's not nebulous, the policies are very clear. Tips 100% go to the driver on every network except Doordash [1]. [1] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tipping-policies-delivery-services-uber-eats-prime-now-postmates-doordash-instacart-caviar_l_5d38c14ae4b0419fd3376278 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tipping-policies-delivery-ser...
    - untog 7y ago
      Interesting, in my experience (in NYC) Seamless and the like absolutely do not employee the delivery drivers. They are employed by the restaurants. Though apparently in some areas they do employ drivers: https://ny.eater.com/2016/4/14/11433288/seamless-delivery-drivers https://ny.eater.com/2016/4/14/11433288/seamless-delivery-dr... In NYC at least my comment is still true. When Seamless does not employ the driver, you do not know where your tip is going.
  - dustinmr 7y ago
    I also don’t particularly know if a restaurant pays tips to their wait staff when I pay a bill with a credit card.
    - untog 7y ago
      Yep. Both good reasons to tip cash.
      - shawnz 7y ago
        Tipping cash doesn't provide any guarantee either. For example mandatory tip pooling is legal in many places.
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shawnz 7y ago

> When they're tipped via apps, they don't even get to keep them. I thought the only one still doing this was DoorDash, and they reversed it after the recent backlash?

untog 7y ago
It's nebulous. Apps that employ(/contract/whatever) their delivery drivers separately from the restaurant have a clear picture, but when you leave a tip on a site like Seamless the money goes to the restaurant. You certainly hope the restaurant is distributing that to the staff, but you don't know for sure.
- deminature 7y ago
  It's not nebulous, the policies are very clear. Tips 100% go to the driver on every network except Doordash [1]. [1] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tipping-policies-delivery-services-uber-eats-prime-now-postmates-doordash-instacart-caviar_l_5d38c14ae4b0419fd3376278 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tipping-policies-delivery-ser...
  - untog 7y ago
    Interesting, in my experience (in NYC) Seamless and the like absolutely do not employee the delivery drivers. They are employed by the restaurants. Though apparently in some areas they do employ drivers: https://ny.eater.com/2016/4/14/11433288/seamless-delivery-drivers https://ny.eater.com/2016/4/14/11433288/seamless-delivery-dr... In NYC at least my comment is still true. When Seamless does not employ the driver, you do not know where your tip is going.
- dustinmr 7y ago
  I also don’t particularly know if a restaurant pays tips to their wait staff when I pay a bill with a credit card.
  - untog 7y ago
    Yep. Both good reasons to tip cash.
    - shawnz 7y ago
      Tipping cash doesn't provide any guarantee either. For example mandatory tip pooling is legal in many places.

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