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I'm not sure I follow your point. I mean, hypothetically, let's say that a student never attends class, just aimlessly wandering the halls (which I'm skeptical

by _Nat_ 7y ago

I'm not sure I follow your point. I mean, hypothetically, let's say that a student never attends class, just aimlessly wandering the halls (which I'm skeptical about, but let's go with it). Then even if they somehow game the SAT and get into a good college, then what? If they're basically uneducated upon entering college, then it seems like, best-case scenario, they'll get like 4 years of education in college -- making them analogous to a student with a gradeschool education, right? I mean, this sounds like a smoke-and-mirrors scheme.

crispyambulance 7y ago
I am not saying that the students aimlessly wandering the halls are taking the SAT-- they're in the jail or dead-end-job pipeline. They are NOT going to college. But there are other students in such schools, however, that are trying to make the best of the situation they're in and these students want to go to college. Sadly, these school is so busy with discipline and attendance issues that it's almost impossible for serious students to get prepared for college. And yes, there are many public schools that would appear to a visitor as chaos. Students do just roam the hallways if they don't feel like going to class. There can be so many doing this that it looks like they're changing class-- all the time. Not exaggerating.
mrep 7y ago
> just aimlessly wandering the halls (which I'm skeptical about, but let's go with it) For some schools it is a real problem. My girlfriend works at a pretty bad high school and she has tons of students who keep failing their classes because they never show up and the principal literally wanders the halls himself to try and force kids to go back to class.
merpnderp 7y ago
Don't be skeptical. I know several teachers in the parts of big cities where many classes are just the teacher trying to keep the kids from hurting each other and any lectures aren't really listened to, where teachers are cussed at and assaulted with zero consequences. There are many schools where kids are effectively offered zero education because the environment is too chaotic and violent.

by _Nat_ 7y ago

crispyambulance 7y ago

I am not saying that the students aimlessly wandering the halls are taking the SAT-- they're in the jail or dead-end-job pipeline. They are NOT going to college. But there are other students in such schools, however, that are trying to make the best of the situation they're in and these students want to go to college. Sadly, these school is so busy with discipline and attendance issues that it's almost impossible for serious students to get prepared for college. And yes, there are many public schools that would appear to a visitor as chaos. Students do just roam the hallways if they don't feel like going to class. There can be so many doing this that it looks like they're changing class-- all the time. Not exaggerating.

mrep 7y ago

> just aimlessly wandering the halls (which I'm skeptical about, but let's go with it) For some schools it is a real problem. My girlfriend works at a pretty bad high school and she has tons of students who keep failing their classes because they never show up and the principal literally wanders the halls himself to try and force kids to go back to class.

merpnderp 7y ago

Don't be skeptical. I know several teachers in the parts of big cities where many classes are just the teacher trying to keep the kids from hurting each other and any lectures aren't really listened to, where teachers are cussed at and assaulted with zero consequences. There are many schools where kids are effectively offered zero education because the environment is too chaotic and violent.