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Are you sure it's just boomers? I'm in my 30s and I don't care too much either, 30-40 years from now I'll be in the twilight years. I've been listening to doom

Are you sure it's just boomers? I'm in my 30s and I don't care too much either, 30-40 years from now I'll be in the twilight years. I've been listening to doom and gloom environmentalists for my entire life telling me we are X years from destruction. Here's what's going to happen: 1. Some places are going to be flooded. The important ones will construct sea barriers. The others: oh well. 2. Some places will become infertile while other places become fertile: sucks that the Midwest will become a desert but Canada is going to be a great place to grow things in 100 years. 3. Technology will improve if things get really dire but I'm sure human ingenuity will pull through.

KoftaBob 7y ago
I never said it’s just boomers. My point was that boomers are a large portion of the population and positions of power, and they won’t be around for the worst of it, so they largely don’t care. The numerous “i’m young and also don’t care” comments completely miss the point.
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benj111 7y ago
"The important ones will construct sea barriers" No the ones that can afford it will. "sucks that the Midwest will become a desert but Canada is going to be a great place to grow things in 100 years" Do you have some evidence or are you just assuming? Day lengths, and weather changes means it wont necessarily work out how you expect. "Technology will improve if things get really dire" Such as.... Because by then it'll be too late for solar, wind turbines, battery storage, nuclear, electric cars/planes/boats and any kind of carbon capture that's currently plausible.
awnfuron 7y ago
Calling areas that can't afford the construction of sea barriers unimportant is a very cavalier approach. Maybe "human ingenuity will pull through" but how long will it take, and how many "unimportant" people will die or experience extreme hardship first?
agentultra 7y ago
> 1. Some places are going to be flooded. The important ones will construct sea barriers. The others: oh well. Most valuable places will be flooded. Sea barriers won't stop it. You're going to be able to sail over the Guggenheim. Maps of the US will have to be re-drawn to remove Florida. > 2. Some places will become infertile while other places become fertile: sucks that the Midwest will become a desert but Canada is going to be a great place to grow things in 100 years. Unlikely. Soil erosion is accelerated by climate change. There are roughly 60 harvests left. Fresh water is going to become extremely scarce. Constant, slow-moving storms will basically reduce yields on land that is still viable. Did you notice how much of this year's harvest was off because of the torrential rains? The tundra isn't going to become fertile. It's a bubbling mass of methane and hyrdrocarbons. It barely has any soil. Who wants to try and grow things on a mushy field, full of mostly dead things, that might explode or re-introduce you to ancient diseases? Plus you will have vast tracts of densely populated areas with people that need to migrate because the wet bulb temperature there is lethal to all humans. Mass migrations of billions of hungry, thirsty people. > 3. Technology will improve if things get really dire but I'm sure human ingenuity will pull through. Not fast enough. I wouldn't rely on it, "sorting itself out." We're already in the 6th mass extinction. That's not activism, that's just science. We're on the roller coaster and the time to get off was about 30-40 years ago. If you look into any carbon sequestration technology out there it's simply not feasible at scale. Maybe it will be in 30-40 years but we'll already be into the worst effects of climate change by then. If we do nothing now it will be worse later than if we try to do better. The likelihood that you or I will make it to our twilight years in comfort is very low. It gets lower the more that we delay action to reduce our carbon footprint and try to slow down or stabilize the feedback loops. Things got this way because the generation before us didn't do anything about it knowing full well that this outcome was likely. It was known in the seventies that this could happen if we didn't reign in emissions. Well... guess what? It happened. And here we are. It's not the predictions of one person -- there are thousands of corroborating studies over decades of research.
- meddlepal 7y ago
  > You're going to be able to sail over the Guggenheim. Maps of the US will have to be re-drawn to remove Florida. You made my point for me. Sorry, that's just NOT going to happen. The extreme hyperbole of the climate change side is not helping matters.

KoftaBob 7y ago

I never said it’s just boomers. My point was that boomers are a large portion of the population and positions of power, and they won’t be around for the worst of it, so they largely don’t care. The numerous “i’m young and also don’t care” comments completely miss the point.

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benj111 7y ago

"The important ones will construct sea barriers" No the ones that can afford it will. "sucks that the Midwest will become a desert but Canada is going to be a great place to grow things in 100 years" Do you have some evidence or are you just assuming? Day lengths, and weather changes means it wont necessarily work out how you expect. "Technology will improve if things get really dire" Such as.... Because by then it'll be too late for solar, wind turbines, battery storage, nuclear, electric cars/planes/boats and any kind of carbon capture that's currently plausible.

awnfuron 7y ago

Calling areas that can't afford the construction of sea barriers unimportant is a very cavalier approach. Maybe "human ingenuity will pull through" but how long will it take, and how many "unimportant" people will die or experience extreme hardship first?

agentultra 7y ago

> 1. Some places are going to be flooded. The important ones will construct sea barriers. The others: oh well. Most valuable places will be flooded. Sea barriers won't stop it. You're going to be able to sail over the Guggenheim. Maps of the US will have to be re-drawn to remove Florida. > 2. Some places will become infertile while other places become fertile: sucks that the Midwest will become a desert but Canada is going to be a great place to grow things in 100 years. Unlikely. Soil erosion is accelerated by climate change. There are roughly 60 harvests left. Fresh water is going to become extremely scarce. Constant, slow-moving storms will basically reduce yields on land that is still viable. Did you notice how much of this year's harvest was off because of the torrential rains? The tundra isn't going to become fertile. It's a bubbling mass of methane and hyrdrocarbons. It barely has any soil. Who wants to try and grow things on a mushy field, full of mostly dead things, that might explode or re-introduce you to ancient diseases? Plus you will have vast tracts of densely populated areas with people that need to migrate because the wet bulb temperature there is lethal to all humans. Mass migrations of billions of hungry, thirsty people. > 3. Technology will improve if things get really dire but I'm sure human ingenuity will pull through. Not fast enough. I wouldn't rely on it, "sorting itself out." We're already in the 6th mass extinction. That's not activism, that's just science. We're on the roller coaster and the time to get off was about 30-40 years ago. If you look into any carbon sequestration technology out there it's simply not feasible at scale. Maybe it will be in 30-40 years but we'll already be into the worst effects of climate change by then. If we do nothing now it will be worse later than if we try to do better. The likelihood that you or I will make it to our twilight years in comfort is very low. It gets lower the more that we delay action to reduce our carbon footprint and try to slow down or stabilize the feedback loops. Things got this way because the generation before us didn't do anything about it knowing full well that this outcome was likely. It was known in the seventies that this could happen if we didn't reign in emissions. Well... guess what? It happened. And here we are. It's not the predictions of one person -- there are thousands of corroborating studies over decades of research.

meddlepal 7y ago
> You're going to be able to sail over the Guggenheim. Maps of the US will have to be re-drawn to remove Florida. You made my point for me. Sorry, that's just NOT going to happen. The extreme hyperbole of the climate change side is not helping matters.