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> First, there's a clear (and artificial) skewing of supply-demand curves. What makes it artificial? Also, there's strong evidence that roughly twice as many

> First, there's a clear (and artificial) skewing of supply-demand curves. What makes it artificial? Also, there's strong evidence that roughly twice as many women have reproduced than men across human history [0], so if we're reducing it to a number game women have always had the ability to be more picky than guys. What's different today is Tinder/OLD let's them access a much larger area, whereas in the past they would have to find a partner within their local community. Dating apps may look unfair on paper but they're just a more efficient dating market than in times past. So to sum up my point, I'm struggling to see a solution here. Human nature can't be rewritten, no matter how hard we try. [0] https://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/the-missing-men-in-your-family-tree/ https://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/the-missing-...

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dvt 7y ago
Even if this were true (the research is speculative at best), the dating app pool is skewed far worse than a 1:2 F:M ratio. > ... they're just a more efficient dating market than in times past. This might be true if women were actually going on dates and starting relationships. Except that no one is. We are a lonely bunch[1]. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2019/05/03/millennials-and-the-loneliness-epidemic/#51359f107676 https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2019/05/03/millennials...
- cameronbrown 7y ago
  Disappointing tbh..
jorvi 7y ago
> So to sum up my point, I'm struggling to see a solution here. Human nature can't be rewritten, no matter how hard we try. You could write an algorithm that subtly punishes women for being too picky and at the same time punishes men for being unselective (only swiping right, then filtering later). Of course, as soon as it comes out that you are rebalancing the market that way no one will use your app anymore, but it would be a theoretical way to bring the numbers closer together.
- draugadrotten 7y ago
  > You could write an algorithm that subtly punishes women for being too picky and at the same time punishes men for being unselective (only swiping right, then filtering later).' Sounds like the dating rules of most Patriarch societies. Women who aren't married at age X gets a social penalty. Men who marry are rewarded by social rewards. The USA has thankfully left the shackles of Patriarchy and has enabled the liberation of women and women's desires. In this world of female first, women get to choose freely from the entire pool of men, and can dispose of them by a swipe of their finger. Should the woman like a child, there is plenty of DNA to choose from, even to be pregnant by insemination or IVF if she so desires. You are experiencing Matriarchy in the 21th century. Welcome to the future.
- cameronbrown 7y ago
  Ah yes, social engineering for the modern age. I'm not sure which path is worse, your suggestion or the status quo.
  - jorvi 7y ago
    Something will have to give at some point. I remember someone at HN posting a graph that showed that for something like 40 years the amount of singles reporting 'no sex within the last year' had been relatively equal (both men and women around 18%), but since the rise of Tinder et al men had shot up to 30% whereas women were still at 18%. On an individual level I won't pass judgment on women for doing whatever they want, but on a societal level such a sea change in behavior and it's attached consequences does not seem healthy or stable.
    - cameronbrown 7y ago
      > Something will have to give at some point. Care to place any bets on what will happen? Obviously I can't prove this but I'd bet the inability to get into an emotionally stable (or any) relationship is one of the contributing factors to soaring youth crime across the world. It's not the only one (economy, political divide) but it's a biggie.

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dvt 7y ago

Even if this were true (the research is speculative at best), the dating app pool is skewed far worse than a 1:2 F:M ratio. > ... they're just a more efficient dating market than in times past. This might be true if women were actually going on dates and starting relationships. Except that no one is. We are a lonely bunch[1]. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2019/05/03/millennials-and-the-loneliness-epidemic/#51359f107676 https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2019/05/03/millennials...

cameronbrown 7y ago
Disappointing tbh..

jorvi 7y ago

> So to sum up my point, I'm struggling to see a solution here. Human nature can't be rewritten, no matter how hard we try. You could write an algorithm that subtly punishes women for being too picky and at the same time punishes men for being unselective (only swiping right, then filtering later). Of course, as soon as it comes out that you are rebalancing the market that way no one will use your app anymore, but it would be a theoretical way to bring the numbers closer together.

draugadrotten 7y ago
> You could write an algorithm that subtly punishes women for being too picky and at the same time punishes men for being unselective (only swiping right, then filtering later).' Sounds like the dating rules of most Patriarch societies. Women who aren't married at age X gets a social penalty. Men who marry are rewarded by social rewards. The USA has thankfully left the shackles of Patriarchy and has enabled the liberation of women and women's desires. In this world of female first, women get to choose freely from the entire pool of men, and can dispose of them by a swipe of their finger. Should the woman like a child, there is plenty of DNA to choose from, even to be pregnant by insemination or IVF if she so desires. You are experiencing Matriarchy in the 21th century. Welcome to the future.
cameronbrown 7y ago
Ah yes, social engineering for the modern age. I'm not sure which path is worse, your suggestion or the status quo.
- jorvi 7y ago
  Something will have to give at some point. I remember someone at HN posting a graph that showed that for something like 40 years the amount of singles reporting 'no sex within the last year' had been relatively equal (both men and women around 18%), but since the rise of Tinder et al men had shot up to 30% whereas women were still at 18%. On an individual level I won't pass judgment on women for doing whatever they want, but on a societal level such a sea change in behavior and it's attached consequences does not seem healthy or stable.
  - cameronbrown 7y ago
    > Something will have to give at some point. Care to place any bets on what will happen? Obviously I can't prove this but I'd bet the inability to get into an emotionally stable (or any) relationship is one of the contributing factors to soaring youth crime across the world. It's not the only one (economy, political divide) but it's a biggie.