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I hate companies that abide by the ideological positions of the country they're from. Hopefully the US can pass a law that bans the use of any social media app

by Leary 7y ago

I hate companies that abide by the ideological positions of the country they're from. Hopefully the US can pass a law that bans the use of any social media app that harms Freedom of Speech through the insidious use of "Community Guidelines"

maest 7y ago
Honest question, is this supposed to be written tongue in cheek? I can't convince myself whether it is or it isn't.
- WaxProlix 7y ago
  Poe's law is going to become so relevant that it's no longer relevant anymore. We live in a post-irony society.
- mc32 7y ago
  I think they’re serious but obviously poking fun at the incongruence where we castigate Chinese apps but are fine having domestic companies engage in similar behavior except it's not at the behest of the gov.
  - Leary 7y ago
    I personally think all speech should be free except those that advocate violence or break the law.
    - meddlepal 7y ago
      > advocate violence or break the law Well I guess so much for the French or American Revolutions.
  - geowwy 7y ago
    > except not at the behest of the gov Not so sure about that. Silicon Valley has some crazy ties to American intelligence agencies.
    - mc32 7y ago
      What I mean is, unlike the CCP, Congress isn't dictating what is permitted and not and what gets erased in a rather low-latency fashion. They're not telling the WaPo and Reddit and Buzzfeed to delete all posts or telling all apps and sites to remove content which makes Trump (or previously Obama) look bad... for starters and they're not controlling public opinion on social issues either as another example. They have agendas, but they’re not dictated by the gov., although sometimes their respective agendas coincide. It’s really not comparable.
      - geowwy 7y ago
        I agree there's not the blatant censoring of info, but the government does put a lot of resources into controlling public opinion. Troll farms are a big thing, as well as exploiting connections in big tech and the media. There are also a lot of NGOs and political parties doing the same thing.
- nailer 7y ago
  A 'town square' law where a communications medium is ruled to be essential or of great influence (eg, Twitter) ensuring that free speech can continue to exist would be a positive thing.
dang 7y ago
This account has been using HN primarily for political and national battle, which is against the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. We warned you about this before and ask you to stop: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20727426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20727426. If you can't or won't stop, we're unfortunately going to have to ban you, because this is an abuse of HN. The site exists for intellectual curiosity, which is not compatible with political agendas. Would you please take the spirit of this place more to heart? That means posting on a variety of things that gratify your curiosity, rather than on just a single topic that you're fighting about—regardless of what that topic is or what your position is about it.
- Leary 7y ago
  Thank you for your comment, moderator dang. I understand HN is a place of great intellectual curiosity where the Freedom of Speech is valued. In the context of potential contentious political issues here in America, however, I also understand the very idea of "freedom of speech" has become a hot button idea used by many who advocate for hate speech. I will refrain from commenting on sensitive issues like these from now on to honor the spirit of this place.
  - Leary 7y ago
    and my mention of "Community Guidelines" was in reference to Tiktok's, not HackerNews. Sorry if there were any confusion that caused any offense! I like HackerNews' guidelines.
  - dang 7y ago
    Just to be clear, we're not asking you to refrain from commenting on divisive topics, just to not use HN primarily for arguing about them (see https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix&page=0&query=by:dang%20primarily%20test https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...). That's the same thing we ask everybody. Use of HN should be based in intellectual curiosity. That leaves room for discussing sensitive issues some of the time, just not all of the time. And of course the discussion should be thoughtful rather than flaming.

by Leary 7y ago

maest 7y ago

Honest question, is this supposed to be written tongue in cheek? I can't convince myself whether it is or it isn't.

WaxProlix 7y ago
Poe's law is going to become so relevant that it's no longer relevant anymore. We live in a post-irony society.
mc32 7y ago
I think they’re serious but obviously poking fun at the incongruence where we castigate Chinese apps but are fine having domestic companies engage in similar behavior except it's not at the behest of the gov.
- Leary 7y ago
  I personally think all speech should be free except those that advocate violence or break the law.
  - meddlepal 7y ago
    > advocate violence or break the law Well I guess so much for the French or American Revolutions.
- geowwy 7y ago
  > except not at the behest of the gov Not so sure about that. Silicon Valley has some crazy ties to American intelligence agencies.
  - mc32 7y ago
    What I mean is, unlike the CCP, Congress isn't dictating what is permitted and not and what gets erased in a rather low-latency fashion. They're not telling the WaPo and Reddit and Buzzfeed to delete all posts or telling all apps and sites to remove content which makes Trump (or previously Obama) look bad... for starters and they're not controlling public opinion on social issues either as another example. They have agendas, but they’re not dictated by the gov., although sometimes their respective agendas coincide. It’s really not comparable.
    - geowwy 7y ago
      I agree there's not the blatant censoring of info, but the government does put a lot of resources into controlling public opinion. Troll farms are a big thing, as well as exploiting connections in big tech and the media. There are also a lot of NGOs and political parties doing the same thing.
nailer 7y ago
A 'town square' law where a communications medium is ruled to be essential or of great influence (eg, Twitter) ensuring that free speech can continue to exist would be a positive thing.

dang 7y ago

This account has been using HN primarily for political and national battle, which is against the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. We warned you about this before and ask you to stop: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20727426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20727426. If you can't or won't stop, we're unfortunately going to have to ban you, because this is an abuse of HN. The site exists for intellectual curiosity, which is not compatible with political agendas. Would you please take the spirit of this place more to heart? That means posting on a variety of things that gratify your curiosity, rather than on just a single topic that you're fighting about—regardless of what that topic is or what your position is about it.

Leary 7y ago
Thank you for your comment, moderator dang. I understand HN is a place of great intellectual curiosity where the Freedom of Speech is valued. In the context of potential contentious political issues here in America, however, I also understand the very idea of "freedom of speech" has become a hot button idea used by many who advocate for hate speech. I will refrain from commenting on sensitive issues like these from now on to honor the spirit of this place.
- Leary 7y ago
  and my mention of "Community Guidelines" was in reference to Tiktok's, not HackerNews. Sorry if there were any confusion that caused any offense! I like HackerNews' guidelines.
- dang 7y ago
  Just to be clear, we're not asking you to refrain from commenting on divisive topics, just to not use HN primarily for arguing about them (see https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix&page=0&query=by:dang%20primarily%20test https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...). That's the same thing we ask everybody. Use of HN should be based in intellectual curiosity. That leaves room for discussing sensitive issues some of the time, just not all of the time. And of course the discussion should be thoughtful rather than flaming.