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>1. How do you know what harvesting takes place I'm basing my assumption on the wealth of information already available about Amazon and Alexa >2. IF it is oc

>1. How do you know what harvesting takes place I'm basing my assumption on the wealth of information already available about Amazon and Alexa >2. IF it is occurring, how has the status quo changed? As I already said, now it can occur in public rather than simply in people's homes, and affect bystanders who have not chosen to utilize alexa devices

bdcravens 7y ago
I'd love to respond, but you'll just say "Whataboutism!" Good chat.
- okmokmz 7y ago
  If you're going to say I can't care about my privacy in relation to Alexa because of some other unrelated privacy concern then yes, it would be a whataboutism and I would call you out on it, as I would in any debate, because that is how civilized discourse works. If you have a genuine, logical argument I'd like to discuss. Unfortunately most people on this site seem to like downvoting relevant points they feel emotional about and arguing without actually making any effort to understand anyone else's point.
  - basch 7y ago
    shouting "logical fallacy" is not how debate works. using knowledge of fallacy to illustrate the underlying logical error in someones argument is how debate works. you should never actually need to reference a fallacy out loud during debate.
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    - okmokmz 7y ago
      If there was more to your initial comment I could have said more, but you essentially said 'whatabaout you having a smartphone' and that was it. The sole argument was fallacious, and there was nothing more I could reply to...
      - basch 7y ago
        I didnt say that. That was someone else. I think everyone else understood the implication of "but you already have a camera and microphone in your pocket, what additional privacy violation does this cause above and beyond everyone's phones." The poster likely thought it didnt need to be spelled out.
        dang 7y ago
        Can you please not do tit-for-tat flamewars like this on HN? They're ultra tedious, and you broke the site guidelines repeatedly. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - dang 7y ago
        Can you please not do tit-for-tat flamewars like this on HN? They're ultra tedious, and you broke the site guidelines repeatedly. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you've done this so much elsewhere and broken the site guidelines so badly that we've banned your account. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21089074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21089074.

bdcravens 7y ago

I'd love to respond, but you'll just say "Whataboutism!" Good chat.

okmokmz 7y ago
If you're going to say I can't care about my privacy in relation to Alexa because of some other unrelated privacy concern then yes, it would be a whataboutism and I would call you out on it, as I would in any debate, because that is how civilized discourse works. If you have a genuine, logical argument I'd like to discuss. Unfortunately most people on this site seem to like downvoting relevant points they feel emotional about and arguing without actually making any effort to understand anyone else's point.
- basch 7y ago
  shouting "logical fallacy" is not how debate works. using knowledge of fallacy to illustrate the underlying logical error in someones argument is how debate works. you should never actually need to reference a fallacy out loud during debate.
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  - okmokmz 7y ago
    If there was more to your initial comment I could have said more, but you essentially said 'whatabaout you having a smartphone' and that was it. The sole argument was fallacious, and there was nothing more I could reply to...
    - basch 7y ago
      I didnt say that. That was someone else. I think everyone else understood the implication of "but you already have a camera and microphone in your pocket, what additional privacy violation does this cause above and beyond everyone's phones." The poster likely thought it didnt need to be spelled out.
      - dang 7y ago
        Can you please not do tit-for-tat flamewars like this on HN? They're ultra tedious, and you broke the site guidelines repeatedly. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - dang 7y ago
      Can you please not do tit-for-tat flamewars like this on HN? They're ultra tedious, and you broke the site guidelines repeatedly. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you've done this so much elsewhere and broken the site guidelines so badly that we've banned your account. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21089074 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21089074.