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>You are part of the same system that vilifies assault / harassment victims "I'm out of arguments, so you're just a ..." Please don't do that. >by saying acc

>You are part of the same system that vilifies assault / harassment victims "I'm out of arguments, so you're just a ..." Please don't do that. >by saying accusations are "too old" / "he / she isn't remembering correctly". It's been nearly a week now. That's a long time for people to come forward with police reports, official complaints, etc. So far there is "Knight for Justice (also: hot ladies)", and, "I hear people have spider plants in their offices to keep him away." >You have the gall to call anyone who does care SJWs, I do? Feel free to quote my stuff back at me. I know you won't, because you can't, so you resort to making stuff up about things you hope I would have said. Please don't make stuff up, it's all there for you to read. >I guess I didn't expect anything more from you. I'm sorry if I disappointed you. But I can only start caring the moment someone presents me with something substantial to care about.

mav3rick 7y ago
Church of GNU / Emacs video..."a virgin girl who hasn't used Emacs before". If that isn't alienating then I don't know what is.
- craigsmansion 7y ago
  You are aware that the St. IGNUcius bit is a spoof on dogmatic religion, right? Maybe that offends you as a religious person, but it's hardly fair to hold that against Stallman whose audiences are usually mainly fellow atheists, or religious people who can tolerate being the subject of a bit of light satire.
  - mav3rick 7y ago
    Conveniently ignored "a girl who is a virgin". How frustrating must that be for a girl in the audience.
    - craigsmansion 7y ago
      Wondering about your effort to maintain an argument in good faith, I read up a little: "mav3rick: What about the KoolAid that HN drinks against anything Facebook, Google ?" "mav3rick: He seems like an out and out terrorist." I think these are indicative you will say whatever it takes to discredit rms, because he takes a stand against everything you believe in. You are being dishonest in your motivations. I think I'll conveniently ignore you all together.
      - mav3rick 7y ago
        Nice, attack the person and not the point I made. Did you address the "virgin girl" that RMS uses in his stupid speech. Even your comments are all pro RMS yet I'm engaging you.
        dang 7y ago
        You both have been breaking the site guidelines. Please stop, and please avoid this sort of spat on HN in the future, regardless of how right you are or feel, or how wrong the other person is. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - dang 7y ago
        You both have been breaking the site guidelines. Please stop, and please avoid this sort of spat on HN in the future, regardless of how right you are or feel, or how wrong the other person is. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - mav3rick 7y ago
    Oh so now it's the audience's fault to not be "tolerant" of RMS' bullshit.
    - craigsmansion 7y ago
      Again, please read what I wrote. I'm starting to doubt you are providing an argument in good faith here as you are constantly generalising. If some religious members of an audience, who are very serious about their faith, go to see a known outspoken atheist, maybe that wasn't the best idea. As far as I know the St. IGNUcius skit is fairly well received in general.
      - mav3rick 7y ago
        I don't care about religion. I care about alienating women. The 'virgin girl' bit is clearly gratuitous and peddles gender stereotypes about men in CS.
mav3rick 7y ago
Oh wow. You get to decide how much time is enough to exonerate someone of all accusations i.e. 1 week ? You say that other accusations are "too old", this is precisely why victims are afraid to come forward in every such case. No one takes them seriously and in fact vilifies them more than the alleged perpetrator. Have fun being a "Knight of RMS", defend him on his most egregious qualities.
- craigsmansion 7y ago
  > You get to decide how much time is enough to exonerate someone of all accusations i.e. 1 week Not at all. Again, something I didn't say or imply. Please make an effort to read what I write, not what you think I wrote (e.g. "That's a long time", empatically not: "That's enough time"). If something substantial comes up at a later time, I will make sure to critically read it. > You say that other accusations are "too old" I said that one specific accusation is probably too old to retrieve the exact words and circumstances, and as such can be considered unsubstantiated. > this is precisely why victims are afraid to come forward in every such case. What case(s) are you referring to? To put it differently: what, exactly, do you think Stallman is "getting away" with here? And why do you think he's getting away with it? > No one takes them seriously and in fact vilifies them more than the alleged perpetrator. That is of course very regrettable, but again, how does Stallman fit in here? You can't just take a person you obviously dislike, ascribe various characteristics and motivations to them, and then rile against that. > Have fun being a "Knight of RMS", defend him on his most egregious qualities. I'm not having "fun", and I don't see why you would assume that. I find the whole situation very regrettable.

mav3rick 7y ago

Church of GNU / Emacs video..."a virgin girl who hasn't used Emacs before". If that isn't alienating then I don't know what is.

craigsmansion 7y ago
You are aware that the St. IGNUcius bit is a spoof on dogmatic religion, right? Maybe that offends you as a religious person, but it's hardly fair to hold that against Stallman whose audiences are usually mainly fellow atheists, or religious people who can tolerate being the subject of a bit of light satire.
- mav3rick 7y ago
  Conveniently ignored "a girl who is a virgin". How frustrating must that be for a girl in the audience.
  - craigsmansion 7y ago
    Wondering about your effort to maintain an argument in good faith, I read up a little: "mav3rick: What about the KoolAid that HN drinks against anything Facebook, Google ?" "mav3rick: He seems like an out and out terrorist." I think these are indicative you will say whatever it takes to discredit rms, because he takes a stand against everything you believe in. You are being dishonest in your motivations. I think I'll conveniently ignore you all together.
    - mav3rick 7y ago
      Nice, attack the person and not the point I made. Did you address the "virgin girl" that RMS uses in his stupid speech. Even your comments are all pro RMS yet I'm engaging you.
      - dang 7y ago
        You both have been breaking the site guidelines. Please stop, and please avoid this sort of spat on HN in the future, regardless of how right you are or feel, or how wrong the other person is. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - dang 7y ago
      You both have been breaking the site guidelines. Please stop, and please avoid this sort of spat on HN in the future, regardless of how right you are or feel, or how wrong the other person is. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- mav3rick 7y ago
  Oh so now it's the audience's fault to not be "tolerant" of RMS' bullshit.
  - craigsmansion 7y ago
    Again, please read what I wrote. I'm starting to doubt you are providing an argument in good faith here as you are constantly generalising. If some religious members of an audience, who are very serious about their faith, go to see a known outspoken atheist, maybe that wasn't the best idea. As far as I know the St. IGNUcius skit is fairly well received in general.
    - mav3rick 7y ago
      I don't care about religion. I care about alienating women. The 'virgin girl' bit is clearly gratuitous and peddles gender stereotypes about men in CS.

mav3rick 7y ago

Oh wow. You get to decide how much time is enough to exonerate someone of all accusations i.e. 1 week ? You say that other accusations are "too old", this is precisely why victims are afraid to come forward in every such case. No one takes them seriously and in fact vilifies them more than the alleged perpetrator. Have fun being a "Knight of RMS", defend him on his most egregious qualities.

craigsmansion 7y ago
> You get to decide how much time is enough to exonerate someone of all accusations i.e. 1 week Not at all. Again, something I didn't say or imply. Please make an effort to read what I write, not what you think I wrote (e.g. "That's a long time", empatically not: "That's enough time"). If something substantial comes up at a later time, I will make sure to critically read it. > You say that other accusations are "too old" I said that one specific accusation is probably too old to retrieve the exact words and circumstances, and as such can be considered unsubstantiated. > this is precisely why victims are afraid to come forward in every such case. What case(s) are you referring to? To put it differently: what, exactly, do you think Stallman is "getting away" with here? And why do you think he's getting away with it? > No one takes them seriously and in fact vilifies them more than the alleged perpetrator. That is of course very regrettable, but again, how does Stallman fit in here? You can't just take a person you obviously dislike, ascribe various characteristics and motivations to them, and then rile against that. > Have fun being a "Knight of RMS", defend him on his most egregious qualities. I'm not having "fun", and I don't see why you would assume that. I find the whole situation very regrettable.