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Keep in mind that Cloudflare is US company. US government is infamous for secret subpoena and gag orders toward the US companies. Also US government is infamous

by ezoe 7y ago

Keep in mind that Cloudflare is US company. US government is infamous for secret subpoena and gag orders toward the US companies. Also US government is infamous for serious and illegal spying. They also holding known vulnerabilities information from public for greater good(for them). Practically, no trust.

8note 7y ago
it's also a business. As soon as they find it advantageous to start selling that information, they will, and will ride on their reputation for privacy to make as much as possible from that information
Dirlewanger 7y ago
There's also no trust with ISPs. They've already all lobbied at the Congressional level to legally sell our data. The NSA already captures/stores everything that comes out of any of their datacenters. So whose DNS do we use? A shitty company's, or another shitty company's?
- entropicdrifter 7y ago
  >They've already all lobbied at the Congressional level to legally sell our data. And succeeded! And even as they did it and succeeded, claimed that they didn't want or need that ability and /totally/ wouldn't take advantage of it if/when it did pass.
- ti_ranger 7y ago
  > There's also no trust with ISPs. They've already all lobbied at the Congressional level to legally sell our data. Yes, for you Americans. Please, go fix your politicians, rather than inflicting technical "solutions" to political problems on the rest of the world.
mfer 7y ago
DoH to Cloudflare by default is only happening to US users. Their current DNS options via their ISP are also subject to the US government.
- throw0101a 7y ago
  > DoH to Cloudflare by default is only happening to US users. Not quite (as I understand things): it is for people with an "en_US" local. If someone in the UK (or NZ, AU, CA) downloaded that particular language installer, then non-US residences can be hit by this.

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Keep in mind that Cloudflare is US company. US government is infamous for secret subpoena and gag orders toward the US companies. Also US government is infamous

by ezoe 7y ago

8note 7y ago
it's also a business. As soon as they find it advantageous to start selling that information, they will, and will ride on their reputation for privacy to make as much as possible from that information
Dirlewanger 7y ago
There's also no trust with ISPs. They've already all lobbied at the Congressional level to legally sell our data. The NSA already captures/stores everything that comes out of any of their datacenters. So whose DNS do we use? A shitty company's, or another shitty company's?
- entropicdrifter 7y ago
  >They've already all lobbied at the Congressional level to legally sell our data. And succeeded! And even as they did it and succeeded, claimed that they didn't want or need that ability and /totally/ wouldn't take advantage of it if/when it did pass.
- ti_ranger 7y ago
  > There's also no trust with ISPs. They've already all lobbied at the Congressional level to legally sell our data. Yes, for you Americans. Please, go fix your politicians, rather than inflicting technical "solutions" to political problems on the rest of the world.
mfer 7y ago
DoH to Cloudflare by default is only happening to US users. Their current DNS options via their ISP are also subject to the US government.
- throw0101a 7y ago
  > DoH to Cloudflare by default is only happening to US users. Not quite (as I understand things): it is for people with an "en_US" local. If someone in the UK (or NZ, AU, CA) downloaded that particular language installer, then non-US residences can be hit by this.