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I think he intended that unadulterated free speech is not necessarily the most important of the rights. I think freedom of the press and freedom of association

I think he intended that unadulterated free speech is not necessarily the most important of the rights. I think freedom of the press and freedom of association come before that. In fact the first thing Mussolini did when he won the election (not without the help of violence, verbal but more importantly physical, like Hitler also did after him) was to abolish the free press and make all the other parties illegal.

cameronbrown 7y ago
1) Freedom of the press is a subset of freedom of speech. 2) Verbal 'violence' is a fallacy. It doesn't exist.
- crankylinuxuser 7y ago
  Your legal name is: $name Your Address is: $address Your phone is: #ph You work at: $employer You did X abhorrent thing (fakes picture or video with deepfakes). It would be a shame if something happened to you. ------------------------------- That right there is indeed verbal violence, AND a call to arms to enact violence against you.
  - whateversclever 7y ago
    That right there is not an example of violence, despite any assertions to the contrary. There is a clear distinction between statements and actions.
    - cameronbrown 7y ago
      And this is where my opinion lies.
  - concordDance 7y ago
    That's just libel and an incitement to violence (though you could have rephrased the same information so it wouldn't be). Only the incitement to violence could possibly be considered violence, though I personally would say it is NOT violence, but a separate offence.
    - lostjohnny 7y ago
      "I'll kill your family" after they killed many other people's families is verbal violence. Believe me, my grangrandfather and my grandfather were jailed many times in the 20 years of fascist regime because they refused to swear as fascists. They were two gentle men who worked as tailors.
- lostjohnny 7y ago
  1) nope. yo could say whatever you wanted in Rome when the ruler was the pope, but you could not write it freely. Example: Pasquino https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasquino https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasquino 2) I'm a polite Italian using ancient words: it's what we call hate speech today.

cameronbrown 7y ago

1) Freedom of the press is a subset of freedom of speech. 2) Verbal 'violence' is a fallacy. It doesn't exist.

crankylinuxuser 7y ago
Your legal name is: $name Your Address is: $address Your phone is: #ph You work at: $employer You did X abhorrent thing (fakes picture or video with deepfakes). It would be a shame if something happened to you. ------------------------------- That right there is indeed verbal violence, AND a call to arms to enact violence against you.
- whateversclever 7y ago
  That right there is not an example of violence, despite any assertions to the contrary. There is a clear distinction between statements and actions.
  - cameronbrown 7y ago
    And this is where my opinion lies.
- concordDance 7y ago
  That's just libel and an incitement to violence (though you could have rephrased the same information so it wouldn't be). Only the incitement to violence could possibly be considered violence, though I personally would say it is NOT violence, but a separate offence.
  - lostjohnny 7y ago
    "I'll kill your family" after they killed many other people's families is verbal violence. Believe me, my grangrandfather and my grandfather were jailed many times in the 20 years of fascist regime because they refused to swear as fascists. They were two gentle men who worked as tailors.
lostjohnny 7y ago
1) nope. yo could say whatever you wanted in Rome when the ruler was the pope, but you could not write it freely. Example: Pasquino https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasquino https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasquino 2) I'm a polite Italian using ancient words: it's what we call hate speech today.