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It sounds like an interesting product, but I'm wary of anything put out by the arbiters of the internet.

by Pigo 7y ago

AznHisoka 7y ago
Personally, I'd feel safer using this vs any other random VPN service. At least these guys have a reputation at stake, if people discovered they were selling your data.
fnordsensei 7y ago
If you're dealing with adversarial middle-men, it could be OK. I lived in a country where everything inside the country right up to the border could be considered adversarial. If it brings competition to the shady VPN-peddlers, and is easy to download and get going, I'll consider it a net positive, all-in-all, regardless whether I'll use it personally or not.
Pfhreak 7y ago
Really? The arbiters of the internet? You don't think that's maybe a little melodramatic? Cloudflare has, time and time again demonstrated openness, transparency, and insight into their technical and ethical frameworks. I trust them a whole lot more than my isp or any random vpn provider.
- falcolas 7y ago
  > The arbiters of the internet? You don't think that's maybe a little melodramatic? As someone who has browsed sites "powered by cloudflare" over Tor and been tossed into an infinite "are you human" loop, it certainly doesn't feel melodramatic. They've also exercised power over websites based on moral outrage. Perhaps 99.999% of people agree with the morals behind this decision, and maybe it's even the right decision, but it's still an arbitrary decision made by Cloudflare. They are also bound by US law, and other entities bound by US law have been forced to enable the exact same forms of record keeping that Cloudflare says they will keep turned off. Cloudflare is not a neutral party. They don't even advertise themselves as a neutral party.
  - sbarre 7y ago
    There are no neutral parties on the Internet. Pick the evil you're most comfortable with.
  - ummonk 7y ago
    Were you allowing them to set cookies on your browser? If not, I don't see how they could do anything but toss you into an infinite "are you human" loop...
  - thenewnewguy 7y ago
    > As someone who has browsed sites "powered by cloudflare" over Tor and been tossed into an infinite "are you human" loop, it certainly doesn't feel melodramatic. https://privacypass.github.io/ https://privacypass.github.io/

It sounds like an interesting product, but I'm wary of anything put out by the arbiters of the internet.

by Pigo 7y ago

It sounds like an interesting product, but I'm wary of anything put out by the arbiters of the internet.

Personally, I'd feel safer using this vs any other random VPN service. At least these guys have a reputation at stake, if people discovered they were selling your data.

fnordsensei 7y ago

If you're dealing with adversarial middle-men, it could be OK. I lived in a country where everything inside the country right up to the border could be considered adversarial. If it brings competition to the shady VPN-peddlers, and is easy to download and get going, I'll consider it a net positive, all-in-all, regardless whether I'll use it personally or not.

Pfhreak 7y ago

Really? The arbiters of the internet? You don't think that's maybe a little melodramatic? Cloudflare has, time and time again demonstrated openness, transparency, and insight into their technical and ethical frameworks. I trust them a whole lot more than my isp or any random vpn provider.

falcolas 7y ago
> The arbiters of the internet? You don't think that's maybe a little melodramatic? As someone who has browsed sites "powered by cloudflare" over Tor and been tossed into an infinite "are you human" loop, it certainly doesn't feel melodramatic. They've also exercised power over websites based on moral outrage. Perhaps 99.999% of people agree with the morals behind this decision, and maybe it's even the right decision, but it's still an arbitrary decision made by Cloudflare. They are also bound by US law, and other entities bound by US law have been forced to enable the exact same forms of record keeping that Cloudflare says they will keep turned off. Cloudflare is not a neutral party. They don't even advertise themselves as a neutral party.
- sbarre 7y ago
  There are no neutral parties on the Internet. Pick the evil you're most comfortable with.
- ummonk 7y ago
  Were you allowing them to set cookies on your browser? If not, I don't see how they could do anything but toss you into an infinite "are you human" loop...
- thenewnewguy 7y ago
  > As someone who has browsed sites "powered by cloudflare" over Tor and been tossed into an infinite "are you human" loop, it certainly doesn't feel melodramatic. https://privacypass.github.io/ https://privacypass.github.io/