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Can this now be renamed to: The Right To Invoke The Streisand Effect How about an archive (outside the EU) of every Right To Be Forgotten request, and links to

Can this now be renamed to: The Right To Invoke The Streisand Effect How about an archive (outside the EU) of every Right To Be Forgotten request, and links to what was not to be remembered. The people of the EU can be the most forgetful people on the planet. But everyone else can remember. However, it is impolite to point and laugh. So don't. Keep it to a low snicker.

s_dev 7y ago
I think the EU is right to take a serious attitude to data privacy even if it doesn't always get it exactly right. These are new issues and the other approach is the the US approach which means tolerating the likes of Equifax et al data breaches with no real compensation or recourse. So I'd take the EU apprach with its flaws over the US approach with its flaws.
- tantalor 7y ago
  Right to be Forgotten has nothing to do with data privacy
  - hartator 7y ago
    It is part of the gdpr law.
    - danShumway 7y ago
      Is it? My understanding is the Right to Be Forgotten predates GDPR by a fairly long period.
- Grumbledour 7y ago
  The law just seems to target the problem much too late in the chain of events. For example, in Germany, people have a right to anonymity, that forbids newspapers to identify persons (print full names, photos, addresses) unless making them public would be in the public interest. While this isn't perfect and of course open to interpretation, it seems to me that having privacy protections (and due process where they fail) is much better lawmaking than trying the fix things down the road when the privacy is already breached. Especially if the fixes are this ham-fisted.
apricote 7y ago
There is already the Lumen Database[0]: > The Lumen database collects and analyzes legal complaints and requests for removal of online materials, helping Internet users to know their rights and understand the law. These data enable us to study the prevalence of legal threats and let Internet users see the source of content removals. You can search it for references to the right to be forgotten[1], although the results will not contain full URLs of the removal requests. [0]: https://www.lumendatabase.org/ https://www.lumendatabase.org/ [1]: https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=Right+to+be+Forgotten&sort_by= https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&...
squarefoot 7y ago
"How about an archive (outside the EU) of every Right To Be Forgotten request, and links to what was not to be remembered." Google AMP will cache (store?) outside of the EU all pages using that service, and the Internet Archive might store pages before any deletion request, but they're not subject to EU laws. What a mess.... edit: I welcome any move directed at protecting people privacy, but this seems clearly made by people who don't have a clue about the involved technical problems and would attempt to solve every issue by ordering to block traffic to or from some places (when the only tool you know is a hammer...).

s_dev 7y ago

I think the EU is right to take a serious attitude to data privacy even if it doesn't always get it exactly right. These are new issues and the other approach is the the US approach which means tolerating the likes of Equifax et al data breaches with no real compensation or recourse. So I'd take the EU apprach with its flaws over the US approach with its flaws.

tantalor 7y ago
Right to be Forgotten has nothing to do with data privacy
- hartator 7y ago
  It is part of the gdpr law.
  - danShumway 7y ago
    Is it? My understanding is the Right to Be Forgotten predates GDPR by a fairly long period.
Grumbledour 7y ago
The law just seems to target the problem much too late in the chain of events. For example, in Germany, people have a right to anonymity, that forbids newspapers to identify persons (print full names, photos, addresses) unless making them public would be in the public interest. While this isn't perfect and of course open to interpretation, it seems to me that having privacy protections (and due process where they fail) is much better lawmaking than trying the fix things down the road when the privacy is already breached. Especially if the fixes are this ham-fisted.

apricote 7y ago

There is already the Lumen Database[0]: > The Lumen database collects and analyzes legal complaints and requests for removal of online materials, helping Internet users to know their rights and understand the law. These data enable us to study the prevalence of legal threats and let Internet users see the source of content removals. You can search it for references to the right to be forgotten[1], although the results will not contain full URLs of the removal requests. [0]: https://www.lumendatabase.org/ https://www.lumendatabase.org/ [1]: https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=Right+to+be+Forgotten&sort_by= https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&...

squarefoot 7y ago

"How about an archive (outside the EU) of every Right To Be Forgotten request, and links to what was not to be remembered." Google AMP will cache (store?) outside of the EU all pages using that service, and the Internet Archive might store pages before any deletion request, but they're not subject to EU laws. What a mess.... edit: I welcome any move directed at protecting people privacy, but this seems clearly made by people who don't have a clue about the involved technical problems and would attempt to solve every issue by ordering to block traffic to or from some places (when the only tool you know is a hammer...).