John Gruber had thoughts on that in one of his two takes on the issue so far > This angle that he’s still going to work with Apple as an independent design fir

John Gruber had thoughts on that in one of his two takes on the issue so far > This angle that he’s still going to work with Apple as an independent design firm seems like pure spin. You’re either at Apple or you’re not. Ive is out. But also, > Apple’s hardware and industrial design teams work so far out that, even if I’m right and Ive is now effectively out of Apple, we’ll still be seeing Ive-designed hardware 5 years from now. It is going to take a long time to evaluate his absence. I didn't watch the full September iPhone keynote, but from what I saw there was a noticeable lack of Jony Ive voiceover in the featured iPhone product videos. I may have just missed it, though? In the Jobs era, Apple would sometimes make drastic hardware changes very close to the release of new hardware. It's possible that the criticism of the keyboards from so many corners (WSJ, famously [3]) may have shifted their plans. [1] https://daringfireball.net/2019/06/jony_ive_leaves_apple https://daringfireball.net/2019/06/jony_ive_leaves_apple [2] https://daringfireball.net/2019/07/on_the_post-ive_future_of_design_at_apple https://daringfireball.net/2019/07/on_the_post-ive_future_of... [3] https://www.wsj.com/graphics/apple-still-hasnt-fixed-its-macbook-keyboard-problem/ https://www.wsj.com/graphics/apple-still-hasnt-fixed-its-mac...