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Can you at least consider yourself outside of the camp that considers it to be "rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated”, and feels no need for standar

Can you at least consider yourself outside of the camp that considers it to be "rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated”, and feels no need for standard due process measures in campus sexual assault judgments? What would be the equivalent extremities of the opposite camp? I'm not hearing from many opponents that sexual assault should be tolerated. It's more common to hear that they should be immediately escalated to law enforcement.

brandmeyer 7y ago
> I'm not hearing from many opponents that sexual assault should be tolerated. It wasn't that long ago that a literal parade of college students were chanting "No means yes! Yes means anal!" Fortunately, that behavior isn't common. But it also isn't fair to insinuate that the other side doesn't exist.
- hirundo 7y ago
  It definitely exists, but doesn't appear to have anything like the equivalent influence. It has been successfully marginalized.
- will4274 7y ago
  > It wasn't that long ago that a literal parade of college students were chanting "No means yes! Yes means anal!" Nor too long ago that a parade of college students were chanting "Die Cis Scum." Bizarrely (to me), detailed reporting showed that neither groups actually believed the words they were chanting - most people shouting "No means yes! Yes means anal" didn't believe rape was ok and most people shouting "Die Cis Scum" didn't believe murder was ok. Such cultural phenomenon deserve more than the surface glance you've given them.
  - gm678 7y ago
    I cannot find a single source for your claim. Do you have one?
    - mirimir 7y ago
      I can't find any either. Just stuff about the meme,[0] and the woman who started it. But at least two frats were using the first one as an initiation ritual. 0) https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/die-cis-scum https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/die-cis-scum
- jimbob45 7y ago
  That's actually pretty funny. In reality, I'd say it was a good thing too. Better to be upfront that the world is a cruel and unforgiving place to young men/women than to pretend the judicial process is ever going to consistently be able to obtain sufficient evidence for rape charges.
mikedilger 7y ago
Yes I'm outside the camp you describe. I side with due process and the presumption of innocence, name supression (not calling someone out who hasn't been found guilty) and I've been against the mob justice aspect of "me too", and I've seen it and cancel culture in general as a kind of social madness. But recently I started to understand the other side better, and I wanted to share why that side feels the way that they do... it's not as mad or as illogical as I had once thought.

brandmeyer 7y ago

> I'm not hearing from many opponents that sexual assault should be tolerated. It wasn't that long ago that a literal parade of college students were chanting "No means yes! Yes means anal!" Fortunately, that behavior isn't common. But it also isn't fair to insinuate that the other side doesn't exist.

hirundo 7y ago
It definitely exists, but doesn't appear to have anything like the equivalent influence. It has been successfully marginalized.
will4274 7y ago
> It wasn't that long ago that a literal parade of college students were chanting "No means yes! Yes means anal!" Nor too long ago that a parade of college students were chanting "Die Cis Scum." Bizarrely (to me), detailed reporting showed that neither groups actually believed the words they were chanting - most people shouting "No means yes! Yes means anal" didn't believe rape was ok and most people shouting "Die Cis Scum" didn't believe murder was ok. Such cultural phenomenon deserve more than the surface glance you've given them.
- gm678 7y ago
  I cannot find a single source for your claim. Do you have one?
  - mirimir 7y ago
    I can't find any either. Just stuff about the meme,[0] and the woman who started it. But at least two frats were using the first one as an initiation ritual. 0) https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/die-cis-scum https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/die-cis-scum
jimbob45 7y ago
That's actually pretty funny. In reality, I'd say it was a good thing too. Better to be upfront that the world is a cruel and unforgiving place to young men/women than to pretend the judicial process is ever going to consistently be able to obtain sufficient evidence for rape charges.

mikedilger 7y ago

Yes I'm outside the camp you describe. I side with due process and the presumption of innocence, name supression (not calling someone out who hasn't been found guilty) and I've been against the mob justice aspect of "me too", and I've seen it and cancel culture in general as a kind of social madness. But recently I started to understand the other side better, and I wanted to share why that side feels the way that they do... it's not as mad or as illogical as I had once thought.