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PBS also spreads propaganda. Look at Sesame Street as of recent and basically, they label Trump a shithead. I mean anyone can disagree with the guy and basicall

PBS also spreads propaganda. Look at Sesame Street as of recent and basically, they label Trump a shithead. I mean anyone can disagree with the guy and basically does. I'm sad to think that shows like this are basically telling our kids what to think, rather than encouraging independent thought.

bdamm 7y ago
Reference? Sesame Street is mostly apolitical, unless you consider encouraging tolerance to be political. My experience with PBS is that there's plenty of encouragement of independent thought. Yes, there's maybe too much armchair science and handwaving, but that's a wider cultural issue that every media outlet is participating in.
- not_a_cop75 7y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_r6iojNnYg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_r6iojNnYg It's been early on and recent as far as I know - if you watch the whole clip you'll see that, though they only show a second or two of the new clips. I would never teach kids to make fun of others. It's simply bad form.
  - not_a_cop75 7y ago
    "In a Time of Universal Deceit — Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act"
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  - msbarnett 7y ago
    Is your complaint here that the writers of these segments didn’t use a time machine in order to determine that the regularly lampooned pop culture celebrity they were parodying would become president several decades later? Or that they did use a time machine and that this particular parody was politically motivated, unlike all their other celebrity parodies? Because they parody a lot of celebrities and always have.
    - not_a_cop75 7y ago
      Do they negative parody others? Are any of the other parodies related to trash? Serious question.
      - msbarnett 7y ago
        They have an a long-running Oscar the Grouch CNN parody, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E893MS_HZlk https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E893MS_HZlk
        not_a_cop75 7y ago
        As much as I dislike CNN, that's not exactly tasteful either.
  - krapp 7y ago
    >I would never teach kids to make fun of others. It's simply bad form. You were clearly trying to accuse Sesame Street of making political propaganda against the current President Donald Trump, now you're packpedaling, because I'm guessing you never bothered to fact check. There is no clip in that video more recent than 2005, certainly no "second or two" of anything during his presidency thus far. According to every site I checked, including the Muppet Wiki, there is no Trump parody on Sesame Street more recent than 2004-2005. Quit your bullshit.
    - not_a_cop75 7y ago
      I'm backpedaling by telling people to watch shows that treat people with respect??? I'm sorry to hear that you don't like to treat people with respect and respect my opinion at face value. Please, share with me how bullying others has personally benefited your life. Maybe having young people watch a kids' show that mocks others is okay for you. https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2017/03/21/sesame-street-v-trump-shows-long-history-mocking-donald-grump/99445290/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2017/03/21...
  - bdamm 7y ago
    That's hilarious. It's obviously about Trump as a mean-spirited real estate developer, which he is well documented to be. The character is lampooning heartless big business' effect on neighborhoods, a common American sentiment even today. I don't think the lesson is making fun of Trump, the lesson is on how to put structure in thinking around neighborhood upheaval, what can be done about it, and that maybe it isn't your parent's fault. This is stuff I would be happy to put in front of my child. Certainly better than Transformers and Paw Patrol, which like 90% of kids programming, is about using guns to solve your problems.
- not_a_cop75 7y ago
  I enjoy other things on PBS. Their nature shows are amazing. I'll even plug their free Roku channel - it's pretty amazing.
  - mieseratte 7y ago
    Never knew I could get PBS on Roku! Thank you!
coliveira 7y ago
That's nonsense, Sesame Street made a parody of Trump when he was not even in politics. He was just a weird rich sub-celebrity of the time.
- not_a_cop75 7y ago
  I'm sorry. There's a lot of comedy that seems hurtful or poor quality in parodying people. Maybe I read more into it than others.
fortran77 7y ago
Trump was a well-known "character" in NYC and he prided himself on that. They had no idea that this then colorful minor-celebrity who himself loved being in the tabloids (and, no doubt, on Sesame building a "Grump Tower") would become President. I'm a registered Republican, and I don't find these clips offensive, considering they were made well before he even started running for President. Also, Donald Trump has in the past been a Democrat and may have been when Sesame Street made these segments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_.... So if you should think this was an attack by "liberal" Public Broadcasting people against "conservatives", it's really not that simple.
- not_a_cop75 7y ago
  It's as tasteless as watching Jerry Springer, or watching people gang up on someone over Twitter. Yes, that's my opinion and that's what I believe. I don't think treating Democratic candidates with disrespect is any better. There are many things I don't agree with, and it seems to me that even simplifying why I disagree with them is not respectful. People will claim that someone on the opposite side of any given spectrum is stupid, and that's really just an oversimplification fallacy most of the time. Yes, they could be ignorant in some ways, but mostly people just have different values. I don't think reducing the value of others is particularly beneficial.
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jdofaz 7y ago
Sesame Street is an HBO show now with reruns on PBS.

bdamm 7y ago

Reference? Sesame Street is mostly apolitical, unless you consider encouraging tolerance to be political. My experience with PBS is that there's plenty of encouragement of independent thought. Yes, there's maybe too much armchair science and handwaving, but that's a wider cultural issue that every media outlet is participating in.

not_a_cop75 7y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_r6iojNnYg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_r6iojNnYg It's been early on and recent as far as I know - if you watch the whole clip you'll see that, though they only show a second or two of the new clips. I would never teach kids to make fun of others. It's simply bad form.
- not_a_cop75 7y ago
  "In a Time of Universal Deceit — Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act"
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- msbarnett 7y ago
  Is your complaint here that the writers of these segments didn’t use a time machine in order to determine that the regularly lampooned pop culture celebrity they were parodying would become president several decades later? Or that they did use a time machine and that this particular parody was politically motivated, unlike all their other celebrity parodies? Because they parody a lot of celebrities and always have.
  - not_a_cop75 7y ago
    Do they negative parody others? Are any of the other parodies related to trash? Serious question.
    - msbarnett 7y ago
      They have an a long-running Oscar the Grouch CNN parody, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E893MS_HZlk https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E893MS_HZlk
      - not_a_cop75 7y ago
        As much as I dislike CNN, that's not exactly tasteful either.
- krapp 7y ago
  >I would never teach kids to make fun of others. It's simply bad form. You were clearly trying to accuse Sesame Street of making political propaganda against the current President Donald Trump, now you're packpedaling, because I'm guessing you never bothered to fact check. There is no clip in that video more recent than 2005, certainly no "second or two" of anything during his presidency thus far. According to every site I checked, including the Muppet Wiki, there is no Trump parody on Sesame Street more recent than 2004-2005. Quit your bullshit.
  - not_a_cop75 7y ago
    I'm backpedaling by telling people to watch shows that treat people with respect??? I'm sorry to hear that you don't like to treat people with respect and respect my opinion at face value. Please, share with me how bullying others has personally benefited your life. Maybe having young people watch a kids' show that mocks others is okay for you. https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2017/03/21/sesame-street-v-trump-shows-long-history-mocking-donald-grump/99445290/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2017/03/21...
- bdamm 7y ago
  That's hilarious. It's obviously about Trump as a mean-spirited real estate developer, which he is well documented to be. The character is lampooning heartless big business' effect on neighborhoods, a common American sentiment even today. I don't think the lesson is making fun of Trump, the lesson is on how to put structure in thinking around neighborhood upheaval, what can be done about it, and that maybe it isn't your parent's fault. This is stuff I would be happy to put in front of my child. Certainly better than Transformers and Paw Patrol, which like 90% of kids programming, is about using guns to solve your problems.
not_a_cop75 7y ago
I enjoy other things on PBS. Their nature shows are amazing. I'll even plug their free Roku channel - it's pretty amazing.
- mieseratte 7y ago
  Never knew I could get PBS on Roku! Thank you!

coliveira 7y ago

That's nonsense, Sesame Street made a parody of Trump when he was not even in politics. He was just a weird rich sub-celebrity of the time.

not_a_cop75 7y ago
I'm sorry. There's a lot of comedy that seems hurtful or poor quality in parodying people. Maybe I read more into it than others.

fortran77 7y ago

Trump was a well-known "character" in NYC and he prided himself on that. They had no idea that this then colorful minor-celebrity who himself loved being in the tabloids (and, no doubt, on Sesame building a "Grump Tower") would become President. I'm a registered Republican, and I don't find these clips offensive, considering they were made well before he even started running for President. Also, Donald Trump has in the past been a Democrat and may have been when Sesame Street made these segments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_.... So if you should think this was an attack by "liberal" Public Broadcasting people against "conservatives", it's really not that simple.

not_a_cop75 7y ago
It's as tasteless as watching Jerry Springer, or watching people gang up on someone over Twitter. Yes, that's my opinion and that's what I believe. I don't think treating Democratic candidates with disrespect is any better. There are many things I don't agree with, and it seems to me that even simplifying why I disagree with them is not respectful. People will claim that someone on the opposite side of any given spectrum is stupid, and that's really just an oversimplification fallacy most of the time. Yes, they could be ignorant in some ways, but mostly people just have different values. I don't think reducing the value of others is particularly beneficial.
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jdofaz 7y ago

Sesame Street is an HBO show now with reruns on PBS.