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> You appear to own 40% of the company, which means you own 40% of the IP. Actually, I'm going to bet that he owns 100% of the IP he wrote because if they didn
by karmajunkie 7y ago
> You appear to own 40% of the company, which means you own 40% of the IP.
Actually, I'm going to bet that he owns 100% of the IP he wrote because if they didn't have good documents around something like vesting, they probably don't have good IP documents either. That gives him the upper hand in negotiation.
To the OP: without a vesting schedule or agreement on what happens when you leave, your partner is stuck with you. If you've done most of the work up to this point, don't be bullied or browbeaten into giving up your shares. I wouldn't even give up that 10% you were going to right off the bat—that's giving away something for nothing,
Most attorneys will have a conversation with you and give you at least some background and let you know what general options are. I've been through a situation similar-ish to this one and if it wasn't for the fact that my partners were so completely sloppy with their paperwork I would have been completely screwed out of several years of my life—they certainly weren't looking out for me. As it was, they took more than half of the proceeds when we eventually sold the company even though pretty much everyone but me had ghosted a couple years earlier.
> Jim can try to play games by re-incorporating and moving the IP around, but you'd still be entitled to 40% of it. But you might have to sue to get it.
Remember, if you didn't sign IP assignment papers when you founded the company, you own 100% of what you produced. Copyright goes to the creator in the absence of any agreement to the contrary. That also means Jim can't transfer it to a different company (which he couldn't do anyway without inviting a shareholder lawsuit.)
> BTW if you wanted a fair deal, you'd get 20% of the stock now and forever. That's what you would have vested in with a standard four year vesting agreement.
Agree with this—if you really think the company has a good shot, I"d negotiate a generous buyout (generous to your partner that is) of half your equity and keep the other half.
- mickeyM 7y agoThanks a lot. I think regarding the IP it's very messy and questionable who owns how much, because he may have paid for the development, but it was based on by sketches & app flow, and I've contributed to the development with a lot of testing & design stuff. Even if he wanted to take his chances, Jim would be in a worse position than me since it would be pretty unclear what I'm entitled to & that could be toxic for investors or in case he wanted to sell it right away. We have a meeting scheduled for tomorrow, I'd stand my ground as you've and others suggested and we'll see what happens. If it gets really messy maybe I'd think about bringing on a lawyer, but it would have to be certain that I'm not going to lose money because of that since lawyers... well, aren't cheap
- ricardobeat 7y agoI think the parent was assuming you did most of the development yourself. Judging by what's been said, it's more likely that your contracted developers themselves own the IP, not either of you.
- mickeyM 7y agoThe contract with developers states that Jim will own the finished product. My role in the app development was to make the initial sketches & app flow (both in the beginning and during the development), some design stuff, and Android testing, so I guess it can be argued that Jim doesn't own 100% of the current app because I've contributed something to the development as well
- karmajunkie 7y agoYeah that’s quite a bit dicier. I did assume you had done the actual development. Copyright on visual presentation is much more difficult to argue your case with.