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DOA to the Senate.

jdashg 7y ago
This is the inquiry and investigation that preceeds any actual impeachment (indictment). It's closer now to the Senate, but it's not headed there yet. The House is (finally) doing its job, even if the Senate might not be convinced to convict.
- Fjolsvith 7y ago
  I wonder if they actually have any evidence or are just arranging a political lynching. Seems to me that they've had a devil of a time trying to find any dirt.
  - minikites 7y ago
    What about all these people? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/22/how-many-of-trumps-close-advisers-have-been-convicted-and-who-are-they https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/22/how-many-of-...
    - zadkey 7y ago
      I guess that is the question, what counts as dirt? Having corrupt aides is bad. But there will continue to be people who demand dirt on the actual person in question before considering impeachment.
    - s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
      Most of those people were prosecuted for lying to investigators. Falling into a perjury trap is pretty easy. (see McCabe, Bill Clinton, etc) Would you like to point to any of those people and link the crimes to Trump some how? What you did is just give a laundry list of cases that could be torn apart individually. Nothing is related back to the core issue of conspiracy/collusion or even obstruction.
evgen 7y ago
Conviction is not the point and so what the Senate will do is less important than it might otherwise appear. First the House gets to drag out the investigation over months and suck all of the attention away from an obvious narcissist, baiting him into wave after wave of self-incrimination on Twitter. After the House votes to impeach in early 2020 the House then gets to be the prosecutors in the Senate — #MoscowMitch and the rest of the senators are the jury and get to be spectators in their own chamber for several months before voting to acquit someone who is obviously guilty of the crimes in the indictment.
- Fjolsvith 7y ago
  > before voting to acquit someone who is obviously guilty of the crimes in the indictment. Wow. I've actually been federally prosecuted, and if I remember right, I was innocent until they PROVED my guilt. It will be interesting to see what evidence they have, if any.
  - s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
    Half of America is in lynch mob form ever since 2016. They don't believe in their candidates enough to wait until November. They know this is the only way.
  - evgen 7y ago
    Interesting. Do you imagine that there will be a federal prosecutor in the chamber of the Senate for the trial? Do you think that the defendant has the same rights and presumption of innocence as a defendant in a federal criminal trial? Do you not understand that an impeachment is a _political_ act and not a judicial one? If convicted Trump would face no jail time, he would lose no liberties, nor would he in any jeopardy. The purpose of the impeachment process is to provide a mechanism for removing a president from office, not putting them in jail. The threat of federal prosecution and jail time is what he will face after he is out of office, but not from an impeachment process.
    - Fjolsvith 7y ago

DOA to the Senate.

This is the inquiry and investigation that preceeds any actual impeachment (indictment). It's closer now to the Senate, but it's not headed there yet. The House is (finally) doing its job, even if the Senate might not be convinced to convict.

Fjolsvith 7y ago
I wonder if they actually have any evidence or are just arranging a political lynching. Seems to me that they've had a devil of a time trying to find any dirt.
- minikites 7y ago
  What about all these people? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/22/how-many-of-trumps-close-advisers-have-been-convicted-and-who-are-they https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/22/how-many-of-...
  - zadkey 7y ago
    I guess that is the question, what counts as dirt? Having corrupt aides is bad. But there will continue to be people who demand dirt on the actual person in question before considering impeachment.
  - s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
    Most of those people were prosecuted for lying to investigators. Falling into a perjury trap is pretty easy. (see McCabe, Bill Clinton, etc) Would you like to point to any of those people and link the crimes to Trump some how? What you did is just give a laundry list of cases that could be torn apart individually. Nothing is related back to the core issue of conspiracy/collusion or even obstruction.

evgen 7y ago

Conviction is not the point and so what the Senate will do is less important than it might otherwise appear. First the House gets to drag out the investigation over months and suck all of the attention away from an obvious narcissist, baiting him into wave after wave of self-incrimination on Twitter. After the House votes to impeach in early 2020 the House then gets to be the prosecutors in the Senate — #MoscowMitch and the rest of the senators are the jury and get to be spectators in their own chamber for several months before voting to acquit someone who is obviously guilty of the crimes in the indictment.

Fjolsvith 7y ago
> before voting to acquit someone who is obviously guilty of the crimes in the indictment. Wow. I've actually been federally prosecuted, and if I remember right, I was innocent until they PROVED my guilt. It will be interesting to see what evidence they have, if any.
- s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago
  Half of America is in lynch mob form ever since 2016. They don't believe in their candidates enough to wait until November. They know this is the only way.
- evgen 7y ago
  Interesting. Do you imagine that there will be a federal prosecutor in the chamber of the Senate for the trial? Do you think that the defendant has the same rights and presumption of innocence as a defendant in a federal criminal trial? Do you not understand that an impeachment is a _political_ act and not a judicial one? If convicted Trump would face no jail time, he would lose no liberties, nor would he in any jeopardy. The purpose of the impeachment process is to provide a mechanism for removing a president from office, not putting them in jail. The threat of federal prosecution and jail time is what he will face after he is out of office, but not from an impeachment process.
  - Fjolsvith 7y ago