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I hope when he asked why he was getting replaced he got a [DUPLICATE QUESTION] reply.

by oyebenny 7y ago

ryandrake 7y ago
Or even better, the classic SO “What are you actually trying to do?” non-answer!
- reificator 7y ago
  > Or even better, the classic SO “What are you actually trying to do?” non-answer! I've never contributed anything to SO, but this is one of the most valuable answers they could give. Worst case, the people helping you can better understand the context around what you're trying to accomplish. Best case they recognize that there's a much easier way to do what you're trying to do, when you're too busy bashing your head against the wall on the particular implementation that you chose. So often when people get stuck, it's because they were shaving a Great Brown yak. But the Great Brown Yak can only be shaved with a razor from Bhutan. So they go to get the Bhutaneese razor but first they need to prove their worth by climbing the nearby mountain. In order to climb that mountain they need the best climbing gear in the world, which is only available from a small shop in Honduras. To get to Honduras from Bhutan they need their passport, but they lost the page with their photo on it. Since they can't get back to their home country they need to get a passport photo some other way. So they go to Stack Overflow and beg for someone to help them forge a passport photo. SO asks what they're trying to accomplish, and they mention they need some Yak fur, and it needs to be brown. SO suggests that they shave the Minor Brown Yak which can be shaved with an off the shelf Gillette but produces indistinguishable brown Yak fur, and could be done in five minutes.
  - gmfawcett 7y ago
    Nice parable. :) This is sometimes called the "XY problem." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem
    - Roboprog 7y ago
      Another parable https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_a_Hole_in_My_Bucket https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_a_Hole_in_My_Bucke...
      - ryandrake 7y ago
        Yea, I’m aware of the XY problem. It is still irritating when someone presumes to know your problem statement better than you and insists on having you change your question. Sometimes I simply want to learn the answer to this very specific question and not keep restating my problem until I find one the answerer knows the answer to. A better way to respond would be: “Here is how to do precisely what you’re asking, but there may be a better way if you more clearly stated your end goal.”
    - im3w1l 7y ago
      The XY problem is a terrible name, because it implies there are two levels, the one asked about and the real one. But just as in that story there can be many different levels, and it's hard to know which is the right one to attack. Maybe the real issue is finding yak fur, or maybe its a razor, or maybe its climbing gear, or maybe its the passport. Or maybe the yak fur turns out to also just be a way to solve an even realer problem?
  - zacym 7y ago
    One would be surprised how more often than not, this is the scenario playing out on SO.
- Janeman544 7y ago
  You should not be doing that any ways. Correct opinionated way of doing it is actually to put your penis in oven.

I hope when he asked why he was getting replaced he got a [DUPLICATE QUESTION] reply.

ryandrake 7y ago

Or even better, the classic SO “What are you actually trying to do?” non-answer!

reificator 7y ago
> Or even better, the classic SO “What are you actually trying to do?” non-answer! I've never contributed anything to SO, but this is one of the most valuable answers they could give. Worst case, the people helping you can better understand the context around what you're trying to accomplish. Best case they recognize that there's a much easier way to do what you're trying to do, when you're too busy bashing your head against the wall on the particular implementation that you chose. So often when people get stuck, it's because they were shaving a Great Brown yak. But the Great Brown Yak can only be shaved with a razor from Bhutan. So they go to get the Bhutaneese razor but first they need to prove their worth by climbing the nearby mountain. In order to climb that mountain they need the best climbing gear in the world, which is only available from a small shop in Honduras. To get to Honduras from Bhutan they need their passport, but they lost the page with their photo on it. Since they can't get back to their home country they need to get a passport photo some other way. So they go to Stack Overflow and beg for someone to help them forge a passport photo. SO asks what they're trying to accomplish, and they mention they need some Yak fur, and it needs to be brown. SO suggests that they shave the Minor Brown Yak which can be shaved with an off the shelf Gillette but produces indistinguishable brown Yak fur, and could be done in five minutes.
- gmfawcett 7y ago
  Nice parable. :) This is sometimes called the "XY problem." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem
  - Roboprog 7y ago
    Another parable https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_a_Hole_in_My_Bucket https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_a_Hole_in_My_Bucke...
    - ryandrake 7y ago
      Yea, I’m aware of the XY problem. It is still irritating when someone presumes to know your problem statement better than you and insists on having you change your question. Sometimes I simply want to learn the answer to this very specific question and not keep restating my problem until I find one the answerer knows the answer to. A better way to respond would be: “Here is how to do precisely what you’re asking, but there may be a better way if you more clearly stated your end goal.”
  - im3w1l 7y ago
    The XY problem is a terrible name, because it implies there are two levels, the one asked about and the real one. But just as in that story there can be many different levels, and it's hard to know which is the right one to attack. Maybe the real issue is finding yak fur, or maybe its a razor, or maybe its climbing gear, or maybe its the passport. Or maybe the yak fur turns out to also just be a way to solve an even realer problem?
- zacym 7y ago
  One would be surprised how more often than not, this is the scenario playing out on SO.
Janeman544 7y ago
You should not be doing that any ways. Correct opinionated way of doing it is actually to put your penis in oven.