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There is an overabundant proof that the Catholic Church's teachings are true. The only reason people do not believe is because they do not want to. They choose

There is an overabundant proof that the Catholic Church's teachings are true. The only reason people do not believe is because they do not want to. They choose to believe logical fallacies and pretend it's logically consistent rather than believe the truth.

crispinb 7y ago
> There is an overabundant proof that the Catholic Church's teachings are true. Most people clearly don't accept this. Which leads us to: > The only reason people do not believe is because they do not want to What's your evidence for this? It's certainly counter to most non-Catholics' own statements. So they're either lying or deceiving themselves. Each option would need extremely strong evidence for a reasonable person to believe it. I'd be interested in your response to a bald statement like "There is an overabundant proof that Hindu/Buddhist/animist/Islamic/Gnostic/whatever teachings are true". No doubt the more extreme members of each of these faith communities will make such proclamations. What's a poor rational non-believer to do? Spend a lifetime assessing the claims of dozens of different religions? I guess you'd insist they should ignore the others and look only at yours. Why? > They choose to believe logical fallacies and pretend it's logically consistent rather than believe the truth. Do you really believe truths about the world can be deduced through logic? Would you put your children if you have them in an aeroplane that had been constructed out of a mind of a genius logician?
- sdegutis 7y ago
  Logic can get us very far. Socrates was martyred because he taught that there is only one God, and there is objective morality that we must follow to be with God. He reached these conclusions by logic alone. But Divine Revelation is necessary for the fulfillment of human understanding and our perfection. Jesus crucified and resurrected is the start of this, because nothing any wise teacher or religious founder says matters unless it can save us from death. This is the only religion that can, because it's not a religion as much as a Living Being that we can encounter immediately, and who will save us if we only let him.
  - crispinb 7y ago
    Oh dear. Because my fairly comprehensive skepticism on metaphysical claims applies as much to hubristic scientistic materialism as any other, I tend to be a defender of religious believers possibly holding their views rationally. But they do usually disappoint me.
    - sdegutis 7y ago
      You seem like a very logical and intelligent person who values truth. So I encourage you to investigate these things yourself. Because they are all true.

crispinb 7y ago

> There is an overabundant proof that the Catholic Church's teachings are true. Most people clearly don't accept this. Which leads us to: > The only reason people do not believe is because they do not want to What's your evidence for this? It's certainly counter to most non-Catholics' own statements. So they're either lying or deceiving themselves. Each option would need extremely strong evidence for a reasonable person to believe it. I'd be interested in your response to a bald statement like "There is an overabundant proof that Hindu/Buddhist/animist/Islamic/Gnostic/whatever teachings are true". No doubt the more extreme members of each of these faith communities will make such proclamations. What's a poor rational non-believer to do? Spend a lifetime assessing the claims of dozens of different religions? I guess you'd insist they should ignore the others and look only at yours. Why? > They choose to believe logical fallacies and pretend it's logically consistent rather than believe the truth. Do you really believe truths about the world can be deduced through logic? Would you put your children if you have them in an aeroplane that had been constructed out of a mind of a genius logician?

sdegutis 7y ago
Logic can get us very far. Socrates was martyred because he taught that there is only one God, and there is objective morality that we must follow to be with God. He reached these conclusions by logic alone. But Divine Revelation is necessary for the fulfillment of human understanding and our perfection. Jesus crucified and resurrected is the start of this, because nothing any wise teacher or religious founder says matters unless it can save us from death. This is the only religion that can, because it's not a religion as much as a Living Being that we can encounter immediately, and who will save us if we only let him.
- crispinb 7y ago
  Oh dear. Because my fairly comprehensive skepticism on metaphysical claims applies as much to hubristic scientistic materialism as any other, I tend to be a defender of religious believers possibly holding their views rationally. But they do usually disappoint me.
  - sdegutis 7y ago
    You seem like a very logical and intelligent person who values truth. So I encourage you to investigate these things yourself. Because they are all true.