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That doesn't explain why it fails to update Safari via AppStore. Also Apple has been allowing coding apps for years now which can download and run executable c

That doesn't explain why it fails to update Safari via AppStore. Also Apple has been allowing coding apps for years now which can download and run executable code, so it is hard to buy the argument.

saagarjha 7y ago
> That doesn't explain why it fails to update Safari via AppStore. Another reason is that it's extra work to decouple the browser with the OS. > Also Apple has been allowing coding apps for years now which can download and run executable code, so it is hard to buy the argument. Not native code.
- Abishek_Muthian 7y ago
  > it's extra work to decouple the browser with the OS. It is expected of a company which boasts about security and privacy of its users as a premium selling point, although it is questionable now[1]. Besides, MacOS has been receiving Safari updates separately. Also android has been decoupling several system services with every iteration now, soon crucial system services would be updated from PlayStore and so even if the manufacturer doesn't ship OS updates, important services would stay updated. [1]: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/09/apple-takes-flak-for-disputing-ios-security-bombshell-dropped-by-google/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/09/apple...
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    > Besides, MacOS has been receiving Safari updates separately. Sure, but the company is doing extra work to provide this. It might be a worthwhile decision to make but it’s certainly not a free gain.
- eyo2019 7y ago
  > Another reason is that it's extra work to decouple the browser with the OS. I thought that argument was rejected already in 2001[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor.... --- (edited to fix link formatting)
  - criddell 7y ago
    Microsoft was in a far different market position than Apple.
  - Spivak 7y ago
    There is a bit of nuance here. IE today still isn’t decoupled from Windows. MS has been shoving it into an ever smaller corner of Windows but IE is the OS provided webview for a lot of old crusty applications that needed to render HTML. What they’re talking about is IE the OS component didn’t mean that IE the user-facing general-purpose browser had to be the default.
- csande17 7y ago
  Doesn't the Swift Playgrounds app let you download, compile, and run Swift code?
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    It does, and it has special entitlements to let it do so.
- SSLy 7y ago
  >Another reason is that it's extra work to decouple the browser with the OS. MS made the exact same argument 15 years ago.
  - Spivak 7y ago
    And it’s still true 15 years later. They still haven’t been able to decouple IE for all the random crap that uses it. They’ve shoved the user facing interface into a dark corner hoping everyone forgets about it but it’s still there.

That doesn't explain why it fails to update Safari via AppStore. Also Apple has been allowing coding apps for years now which can download and run executable code, so it is hard to buy the argument.

saagarjha 7y ago

> That doesn't explain why it fails to update Safari via AppStore. Another reason is that it's extra work to decouple the browser with the OS. > Also Apple has been allowing coding apps for years now which can download and run executable code, so it is hard to buy the argument. Not native code.

Abishek_Muthian 7y ago
> it's extra work to decouple the browser with the OS. It is expected of a company which boasts about security and privacy of its users as a premium selling point, although it is questionable now[1]. Besides, MacOS has been receiving Safari updates separately. Also android has been decoupling several system services with every iteration now, soon crucial system services would be updated from PlayStore and so even if the manufacturer doesn't ship OS updates, important services would stay updated. [1]: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/09/apple-takes-flak-for-disputing-ios-security-bombshell-dropped-by-google/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/09/apple...
- saagarjha 7y ago
  > Besides, MacOS has been receiving Safari updates separately. Sure, but the company is doing extra work to provide this. It might be a worthwhile decision to make but it’s certainly not a free gain.
eyo2019 7y ago
> Another reason is that it's extra work to decouple the browser with the OS. I thought that argument was rejected already in 2001[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor.... --- (edited to fix link formatting)
- criddell 7y ago
  Microsoft was in a far different market position than Apple.
- Spivak 7y ago
  There is a bit of nuance here. IE today still isn’t decoupled from Windows. MS has been shoving it into an ever smaller corner of Windows but IE is the OS provided webview for a lot of old crusty applications that needed to render HTML. What they’re talking about is IE the OS component didn’t mean that IE the user-facing general-purpose browser had to be the default.
csande17 7y ago
Doesn't the Swift Playgrounds app let you download, compile, and run Swift code?
- saagarjha 7y ago
  It does, and it has special entitlements to let it do so.
SSLy 7y ago
>Another reason is that it's extra work to decouple the browser with the OS. MS made the exact same argument 15 years ago.
- Spivak 7y ago
  And it’s still true 15 years later. They still haven’t been able to decouple IE for all the random crap that uses it. They’ve shoved the user facing interface into a dark corner hoping everyone forgets about it but it’s still there.