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And how does that change the result of the referendum? What's happened over the last 3 years is an utterly scandalous denial of democracy, and it's frightens me

And how does that change the result of the referendum? What's happened over the last 3 years is an utterly scandalous denial of democracy, and it's frightens me tbh to see so many people acting in support of something other than respecting a democratic vote simply because it didn't suit them. If we had voted to remain and there was a movement attempting to force us to leave I would be manning the barricades in support of remain, despite the fact I voted leave and believe we should leave. And that's because the principle of freedom supercedes what I may or may not like. That's democracy: sometimes you lose, and you moan a bit, and then accept it and get on with things. In the end, democracy is the only thing that the little man has to defend himself and fighting to keep us in the EU is taking even that little thing away. Why bother voting ever again when if the result is inconvenient for the powers that be, they will simply declare democracy invalid?

pjc50 7y ago
> If we had voted to remain and there was a movement attempting to force us to leave I would be manning the barricades in support of remain, despite the fact I voted leave and believe we should leave. No you wouldn't. The referendum was chaotic, with multiple leave campaigns, and people were constantly lied to about what the outcome would look like. If the debate had been much clearer about what the cost would be, especially of no deal, then it might have been acceptable. But the whole reason it's fallen apart is competing versions of "fantasy Brexit" that can't be delivered.
- growlist 7y ago
  > No you wouldn't. I can see we're not going to get much further.
celticninja 7y ago
Democracy allows for the changing of minds. As long as there is a vote that gives a PM a mandate for a course of action it can be done. Its not anti democratic to have another vote.
- growlist 7y ago
  Ok so best of three then if the next one goes for Remain? Because voters change their minds don't they?
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pjc50 7y ago

> If we had voted to remain and there was a movement attempting to force us to leave I would be manning the barricades in support of remain, despite the fact I voted leave and believe we should leave. No you wouldn't. The referendum was chaotic, with multiple leave campaigns, and people were constantly lied to about what the outcome would look like. If the debate had been much clearer about what the cost would be, especially of no deal, then it might have been acceptable. But the whole reason it's fallen apart is competing versions of "fantasy Brexit" that can't be delivered.

growlist 7y ago
> No you wouldn't. I can see we're not going to get much further.

celticninja 7y ago

Democracy allows for the changing of minds. As long as there is a vote that gives a PM a mandate for a course of action it can be done. Its not anti democratic to have another vote.

growlist 7y ago
Ok so best of three then if the next one goes for Remain? Because voters change their minds don't they?

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