> They are both lying for political purposes. Unless the UK stay in the CM/SU, there will be a customs border. The EU will require one from the Irish side, and

> They are both lying for political purposes. Unless the UK stay in the CM/SU, there will be a customs border. The EU will require one from the Irish side, and the UK will require one in order to get any trade deals. There will be a customs border, but that doesn't mean there has to be infrastructure on the border. Again, the idea of a hard border is a red herring, as nobody is going to build one. > Have you been there lately? I pass the border a bunch when we travel north, and the only way I notice is the different signs and Google maps switching to miles instead of kilometers. Sure, and there are already differences as you just pointed out. > Fair enough, however there were a lot more back during the Troubles. Sure, no body wants to go back to that. > Like, it's impossible to leave unless the UK maintains the Good Friday Agreement, which essentially requires a mostly soft border. The border was a frequent target of republican terrorists and is likely to become so again, hence why you have US members of Congress saying that no trade deal with the UK is possible unless the GFA is maintained (are they also trying to trap the UK in the EU?). Yes the UK has said it will maintain the Good Friday Agreement, but that doesn't mean we should have to stay in the single market/customs union. > I'm not sure if there is anything I can say to change your mind on this, but I strongly disagree with your assessment here. Which bit? The EU clearly doesn't want Brexit to be a success otherwise it might encourage other countries that are less than delighted with they EU, to leave. Far better if they can point to the UK and go "look how much better it was before they tried to leave". The Eurozone economically is in a bit of a sorry state, not sure what there is to disagree with there. Ok it is slightly better than a few years ago in some parts of the south, but not much. > The British government have literally done everything wrong here. Well, I certainly can agree with you there. No doubt the EU has shown remarkable unity, and the UK has shown disunity and disorganisation.